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Christ made it very clear action was required to confirm conversion. Many parables He told criticized saying one believes while acting sinfully. More is required than saying you believe; you must live belief.


50 posted on 11/03/2010 11:15:05 PM PDT by Melian ("Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne)
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There are no works you can do for your own salvation - nothing.

More is required than saying you believe; you must live belief.

That is AFTER salvation - not FOR salvation.

The Bible says that faith without works is dead – but that is AFTER you have received God’s gift of eternal salvation. AFTER you get saved, God has a plan and a purpose for your life, and this is where you will go to work for God into whatever your calling is going to be in Him. But to initially receive the GIFT of eternal salvation from God the Father is simply done by having faith and belief in Jesus Christ and what He personally did for you on the cross.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8)

Receive the GIFT thankfully and rejoice. There is no striving to receive it. Then we renew our minds to conform with the mind of Christ by reading/studying/meditating on His Word.

Our Spirit is what is saved - not our body or mind. Our Spirit never dies. Those who are saved (according to what HE says salvation is) - their Spirit lives w/HIM for eternity but those not born again/saved - their spirit goes to their master (satan) dwelling they followed here on earth. What we do is renew our minds/soul (our way of thinking) to His Way. We will never attain it all here because we have inherited a sinful nature. And that doesn't go away here, so we have to harness it in and make it obey The Word. And we will fail and get up and fail again, etc.

Fellowship with Our Heavenly Father is what He wants from us. The more we know Him, the better our walk of faith is. And we get to know Him through reading/meditating on His Word. "I can do all things thru Christ Who strengthens me". He gives us the strength to carry our His tasks. It is all by Faith.

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

They went and did works on their own but never had fellowship with Our Heavenly Father. So they weren't doing His works but their own since they never knew Him. All for naught, they did things their way and not God's Way.


52 posted on 11/04/2010 12:42:13 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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Since even Satan that use to stand before God believes, that doesn't give him access to heaven....so how could belief along get anyone into heaven...since he also knows of Christ, and surly believes that is why he fights so hard against those that carry that name, belief alone would not get him anyplace except hell..If you believe in Christ, you must also do as he did with works...

Don't remember which book of the NT says it, but to paraphrase, show me a mans works and I will tell you whom he believes in...faith without works is dead....:O) agree with you....

Works include feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing the homeless, spreading the good news of salvation etc...not sitting in some little enclave patting each other on the back for your beliefs...jmho

89 posted on 11/05/2010 5:45:50 PM PDT by goat granny
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