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To: Sontagged

If Jesus had a sinful nature he would not have been able to die for our sins, he wouyld have had to die for his own. Having said that, Jesus really was tempted and could have sinned, (as Adam did, when he had no sin nature) but he didn’t sin. Jesus did not come through Adam, he was born of the virgin. Jesus’ sacrafice is not worthless(Perish the very thought!).


5 posted on 11/16/2010 9:13:22 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
he was born of the virgin

Isaiah 7: The seventh chapter in the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. Around the year 732 B.C.E., the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the Northern Kingdom of Israel, led by King Peqah, and the Kingdom of Syria (Aram), led by King Retsin. These two armies had besieged Jerusalem. Isaiah records that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. G-d sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand – G-d would protect him and his kingdom and that their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem.

It is clear from the narrative in this chapter, that Isaiah’s declaration (Is 7:14-16) was a prophecy about the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies from the north. The verses Isaiah 7:15-16 state that, by the time this child (whose imminent birth was foretold in Isaiah 7:14) reaches the age of maturity (“… he knows to reject bad and choose good …”), the kings of the two enemy nations will be gone, in fact, they will be killed. Two Biblical passages, 2 Kings 15:29-30 and 2 Kings 16:9, confirm that this prophecy was contemporaneously fulfilled when these two kings were assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the name of the child in Isaiah 7:14, Immanu'el, is a sign which points to the divine protection that King Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their otherwise certain demise at the hands of these two enemies. Clearly, Isaiah 7:14 is a near-term prophecy that is part of an historic narrative, and which was fulfilled in the immediate time frame, not some seven-and-a-half centuries in the future.

Isaiah 7

7 posted on 11/16/2010 10:42:39 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: pastorbillrandles; blasater1960
Pastor, I am only pressing the point for clarification and evangelistic purposes, not to argue for argument's sake, and of course His sacrifice is worthy, whole and holy and the source and substance of our faith!

However, some of the little heresies I've seen in Christian circles revolve around this point. Basically Jesus was God and therefore, that's why He didn't sin.

I don't believe that is God's truth. Jesus OVERCAME the world. Jesus OVERCAME sin. Jesus sweated BLOOD IN THE GARDEN as He resisted cowardice, fear, and the fear of death. It was a passion. Jesus was at once God and at once Man.

I just wanted some clarity on the truth of who He was. If we think, in any little recess of our minds, that He was a little more “divine” than we are when He walked on earth, then, we are sunk. He knows EXACTLY what our struggles are with sin, with the flesh, and with the Devil. Praise God.

Just wanted more clarity from you, because this is an issue that is not discussed enough. Thank you and Bless you Sir.

8 posted on 11/17/2010 10:57:13 AM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

P.S. you know the teaching on “He became sin for us”? I don’t know where that is in the Bible but I believe this to be true. He became sin for us.


9 posted on 11/17/2010 11:07:53 AM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

P.S. you know the teaching on “He became sin for us”? I don’t know where that is in the Bible but I believe this to be true. He became sin for us.


10 posted on 11/17/2010 11:07:58 AM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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