I meant to ping you to this thread....
I see those who differ on Israel are posting here as on other threads, same argument's as well. Does seem nothing will change either side of the equation of who Israel is and their place past, present and future. However it is more than difficult, from just the perspective of the scriptures as a whole, that someone cannot see Israel woven throughout all the way thru Revelations...and all Gods promises to them...conditional and those which are not.
As I see it God knows those who are truly His within the Christian community, and those who are not. Equally so those of Israel who are truly Jewish and what determines this in His eyes, not mans, and those who are not. Splitting hairs only creates divisions and uncertainty. What is interesting are many who now debate about who Israel is generally understood clearly Israels position thru the ages and ages to come....but then took another road along the way...................... But in the end we all will bow before our Christ Jesus.....some will bow by faith others by force but all will bow before the Christ when all is said and done..