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To: topcat54
the strong possibility that what we know of “Israel” in the Bible has little if anything to do with the secular state in the present Middle East that happens to go by the same name.

Saying it is a "possibility" is rather revealing topcat...as I do see the present state of Israel as Israel...be it nation, race or religion, however one wants to name it...and that Jerusalem within Israel is also the biblical Jerusalem just as Israel is. They are no more secular than many Christians who claim Christianity.

We know some of Gods promises were conditional and others were not. The land will indeed be theirs...all in Gods timing. God is more than capable of distinguishing the Jewish people topcat....just as He is those who are Christians and claim Christianity.

I do not see Israel AS the Law...rather a nation who was GIVEN the Law. They broke them as surely as we do. In fact we as so called Christians in our nation are going down the same path Israel did in turning our backs on God.

However when it comes to Israel recognizing Christ as their Messiah...and they will, (debated and gone over in prior threads), I do not see God excluding them as a nation though they are blinded now until the fullness of the gentiles is in. Were it not for them we would not have Christ at all. He will not abandon them anymore than he did in the past and has always brought out those who seek Him by faith.....and one day their faith will indeed be in Christ.

There are far too many scriptures which refer to the Israels position before God throughout the Bible to somehow even suggest He will cast them off completely.. Anymore than he would cast believers off from the promises of salvation he has given us, which we have for the blindness Israel has currently. Just as we ourselves, as Christians now, were formally blind to the gospel. God has determined when their blindness will be removed and they too will see.

.....After all none of us Gentiles, who are Christians now, were looking for a Messiah at all....how much moreso then will the Jewish people recognize Christ when their blindness is removed, because they are looking for their Messiah. Christ Himself is Jewish...why would He deny Himself?

78 posted on 11/30/2010 6:42:48 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; GiovannaNicoletta; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; RJR_fan; wmfights; Lee N. Field; ...
I think you are missing something here, since you insist on making statement like this:

to somehow even suggest He will cast them off completely..

Who has suggested such a thing? Apparently, in your haste to place a futurist slant on everything you read, you have failed to acknowledge that non-futurists like myself do not see the Jews as being “cast off completely.” I think I have made that abundantly clear (at least I’ve tried to in that face of opposition). Oh, sure, some folks around these parts have thrown out the “A” word, but that’s a red herring.

The greatest blessing that anyone can experience, Jew or gentile, is salvation through Jesus Christ, and to be counted among the true sons of Abraham. You and your futurist friends seem to think that Jews will somehow be short-changed in the divine scheme if they don’t get something more out of this world than their gentile brethren.

82 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:22 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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