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To: verdugo
You still continue to dodge my point regarding the errors of Russia.

Since the errors of Athiestic Communism are no longer an issue in Russia, you want to dismiss that and attribute some other error or errors to keep your conspiracy theory alive. The litany of sins you listed and then stated The errors of Russia are still there is ridiculous. Those sins did not originate in Russia and are not Russia’s errors.

The Consecration of Russia is complete. Time to move on.

THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.

I do not subscribe to your fatalistic attitude. I’d prefer to follow the advice of St. Padre Pio

“Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer...Prayer is the best weapon we have; it is the key to God's heart. You must speak to Jesus with not only your lips but with your heart. In fact on certain occasions you should speak to Him only with your heart...”

For anyone that wants to know about Fatima, should read the 3 volume set by Frere Michel De La Sainte Trinite:

Just can’t let go can you? These writings were published in the 1980’s. In fact, there’s a disclaimer on the home page that states “ all references to the Third Secret in these volumes should be interpreted within this pre-revelational context.”

I’ll take the word of JPII and Pope Benedict XVI that the secret has been revealed and the Consecration to Russia is complete.

I’m a Catholic father of 5 children 8 and under, so far.

Wonderful! God Bless you and your family.

41 posted on 12/06/2010 6:06:03 AM PST by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: pegleg
re: You still continue to dodge my point regarding the errors of Russia. Since the errors of Atheistic Communism are no longer an issue in Russia, you want to dismiss that and attribute some other error or errors to keep your conspiracy theory alive.

I made it quite clear that the "errors of Russia", spoken by Our Blessed Mother to the seer Lucia, were spiritual, were about the eternal loss of souls. If you read the three volumes I recommended , you would know this. This is a basic Catholic mindset ("What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?"). I told point blank that you are dead wrong in your strictly earthly analysis.

Besides, YOUR "errors of Russia" analysis is wrong in the earthly sense too, since atheistic communism still exists in China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and is quickly taking over South America at this moment, Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile etc.

The whole foundation of your edifice of analysis is founded on the so-called "fall of communism" in Russia in the late 80's. From there you "weave it" into the INCOMPLETE consecration by JPII in 1984, in which he neither mentioned Russia, nor did it in union with the bishops.

AND YET: for 34 years before that "consecration" of the world, everyone knew from Lucia the seer of Fatima that consecration of Russia and the world done by Pius XII in the late 40's and early 50's (which at least mentioned Russia), were incomplete, not done as asked by the Blessed Mother. Now, since JPII's "consecrations" neither mentioned Russia nor were done in union with the bishops, in other words, they were EVEN LESS THAN WHAT PIUS XII HAD DONE, I ask you: what on earth would possess anyone to think that JPII's consecrations were satisfactory?

- The letter from Lucia? It's been shown to be a forgery. Besides, if it isn't, then Lucia is either a schizophrenic or got Alzheimer's. FROM 1917 to 1984 for Lucia the consecration required the specific consecration of Russia by the pope in union with all the bishops. Then from 1984 forward it didn't require either? That letter is a forgery to discredit the message.

Where is the period of peace? Portugal was consecrated as asked by the Blessed Mother, and it had a period of peace of over 40 years, avoiding the savage Spanish Civil War (AT IT'S VER BORDER!)and all of WWII. After the consecration, Portuguese government miraculously turned from a masonic anti clerical to a great Catholic government. The last Catholic government on earth till it fell after Vatican II.

Where are the elimination of the errors of Russia, spiritual or earthly? Only a dreamer with his head in the sand or a useful idiot could think that both are gone.

By the way, in addition to being a father of 5, I am also a person who lost his country to communism and it still remains communist to this day. where is the fall of that earthly error of Russia?

I repeat again:

Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia in like 1950, BUT, not in union with the bishops. Pope JPII did it twice, but never specifically named Russia, nor did he do it in union with the bishops.

We have the record of the seer Lucia stating that the consecration by Pius XII was incomplete because he did not do it in union with the bishops AND YET HE SPECIFICALLY CONSECRATED RUSSIA. The only two things that could make anyone think that the JPII consecrations (WHICH LACK BOTH the union of the bishops in the consecration AND THE MENTION OF RUSSIA) were complete, would be ignorance of the past consecrations by Pius XII (which at least mentioned Russia) or that the people saying that the consecrations were done are enemies of the Church.

The consecrations have not been done, those that teach otherwise are either ignorant of the subject matter, or enemies of the Church, whether they are wolves in sheep's clothing (Catholic clergy) or wolves.

The errors of Russia are still there, and have spread all over the world: abortion, contraceptives, divorce, women behaving as men (not having children and competing for men's jobs), breakup of the family, children raised by the state, Immorality, fornication, adultery,pornography drugs & alcohol abuse, and sports/circus to keep the masses numbed. The USA is already poisoned by the errors of Russia, the USA is actually today the biggest promoter of the errors of Russia.

Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.

42 posted on 12/06/2010 7:56:50 AM PST by verdugo
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To: pegleg
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THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.

I do not subscribe to your fatalistic attitude. -------------------------------------------

Nothing fatalistic in what all those saints wrote. Those quotes span like 1900 years of Christianity. All the saints taught the same. By your reaction of calling all those saints (Catholic teaching for 2000 years)"fatalistic" , I gather that you must be a woman, brought up in the post Vatican II, happy face, sugar coated Catholicism, where people don't want to know anything related with death & suffering, and only want to have "pleasant thoughts".

I am a man, a warrior knight, not affraid of death, and I try to live by the teaching: "Remember the end of your life, and then you will never sin" (Wis. Sir. 7,36). "

Remember the end of your life, and then you will never sin. I shall not write again on FR.

God Bless,

43 posted on 12/06/2010 8:27:32 AM PST by verdugo
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