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To: Salvation
This verse has nothing to do with poverty! I have taught this verse many times, and researched it carefully.

The Greek word for "poor" is "ptochos" - it refers to someone who is totally helpless, such as crippled beggar who cannot even walk, and must be carried to the spot where he begs.

Combined with the word, "pneuma" - "spirit", the context and the words clearly are talking about the spiritual condition of total helplessness. In this case, the total inability of man to find salvation and righteousness on his own.

The Bible talks about the poor in other places, but this verse is speaking of a spiritual reality, not an earthly reality.

4 posted on 12/03/2010 10:56:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: LiteKeeper

I’ve always thought of poor in spirit as someone being deprived of the sunshine of another’s smile, perhaps someone suffering from desperation or discouragement rather than the en-couragement of the Lord.

Does that go with what you are talking about.


5 posted on 12/03/2010 11:25:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LiteKeeper

**When looking at the poor, we must see the face of Christ who identifies himself with them. **

But I think this is very true also. We must not judge by appearance. Perhaps Christ is passing by. I’m currently reading Chicken Soup for the Soul: Living Your Catholic Faith.

There are several stories in it about someone doing a good deed for a person who appeared to be poor, but after the good deed they look back to see how the person is doing and the person has totally disappeared.

Was that Christ crossing their path? Hard to tell.

Basically, I think we must be kind to ALL people, regardless of their mental, physical or spiritual state of being.


6 posted on 12/03/2010 11:30:19 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LiteKeeper; Salvation

I became poor in my life not so long ago and prayed. I read the bible until the pages were red with blood. I asked for and received understanding. I received a bed with family 2000 miles from all possessions I owned.

It was a sobering experience. I now understand. My life is completely different due to my trust of GOD. My Family gave me a place to sleep. All possessions were lost.

I have a big heart and more than I ever had. It was 7 years.


7 posted on 12/03/2010 11:35:15 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: LiteKeeper

I agree. “Poor in spirit” is the phrase, not “poor...in spirit”. Anyone can be poor in spirit.


16 posted on 12/04/2010 1:15:36 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: LiteKeeper
"Combined with the word, "pneuma" - "spirit", the context and the words clearly are talking about the spiritual condition of total helplessness. In this case, the total inability of man to find salvation and righteousness on his own. The Bible talks about the poor in other places, but this verse is speaking of a spiritual reality, not an earthly reality."

But could these two: humility and lack of excess material wealth be two sides of the same coin Jesus is referring to? Note in Luke's version of the sermon it merely says "blessed are the poor". I really think Jesus is referring to both here, the point being that those who are wealthy will be so concerned with the material things of the world they will never achieve the humility, the "spiritual helplessnes" you speak of, to enter the Kingdom of God. This is why Jesus says it is easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The rich will always believe they are captain of their own soul. However, it's not impossible - with God all things are possible. This is shown by the incident with Zacchaeus in chapter 20 of Luke. A rich man is completely changed by his encounter with Christ. He basically renounces his attachment to wealth and by extension to himself. He has become 'poor in spirit" by giving away most (if not all) of wealth. He is the exact opposite of the rich young man Jesus encounted in the previous chapter.

17 posted on 12/04/2010 3:27:53 AM PST by circlecity
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To: LiteKeeper

Yes - “poor in spirit” is similar to Pauls’s lament about doing things he would not do and not doing things he would do. He knew he could never be even slightly worthy and he anguished over his inability to follow Jesus’ example. This is a beautiful bit of info, because it further demonstrates God’s forgiveness as He knows we can’t earn our worthiness, but repenting and regretting our continued sinful behavior is counted as a plus. Some claim being saved means they don’t do sinful things, I still do what I would not, but I get comfort knowing His love is so great that he “distinctly remembers forgetting my wickedness”.


20 posted on 12/04/2010 5:04:35 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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