A Woman And An Angel

http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/the-sign-of-the-swaddling-clothes/ ^ | 12-19-10 | Bill Randles

[Arlis]

Excellent, dear brother. Excellent.

God bless you and your ministry in exalting and glorifying the Lamb of God!

[UCANSEE2]

Merry Christmas to you and yours. God Bless the work you do.

Now I can go back and read the story.

[goat granny]

>>>The Angel approached the couple in the garden very calmly, and in an attractive form>>>

That is not what is written in my bible, just change a word here and there, no disrepects intended, but that is what the serpent did, just change a word here and there...

Merry Christmas...GG

[pastorbillrandles]

wait a minute goat granny- are you accusing me of doing what the serpent did? Do you deny that the serpent in the garden was none other than the fallen Angel Lucifer? You may not have intendd any disrspect, but you couldn’t be more disrespectful accusing me of doing wht the serpent did, when all I am doing is making a valid biblical point about the parallell between Eve and Mary- both of whom spoke to Angels, one fallen(which was obvious in my post) and one unfallen- you may not appreciate the way I have communicated it, but don’t you think comparing me to the serpent is a cheap shot? I forgive you GG

[goat granny]

I did not compare you to satan, I compared what you wrote, that differs from scripture says....My complaint is what you said and how you said it....There is quite a difference to say the angel in the garden was *attractive* when scripture calls him a serpent.

An if I am remembering correctly, the serpent was cursed to crawl on its belly....(I may not be quite correct on this as I am going by memory).

You as a pastor should know that. And I deny nothing I am remarking on what you wrote and how you worded it..

A valid biblical point does not need to make up something that is not scripturally correct..

Merry Christmas....and if you feel better forgiving me for pointing out your error, thats fine with me...

[goat granny]

I do know a little scripture and I know it was the tempter that was in the garden, the father of all lies...satan, lucifer, and many other names that this creature goes by..

But in Genesis, unless I am mistaken, he was never called attractive...so you and I agree on both points...

[fabian]

well, at that point he was no longer an angel..he had morphed into Satan...I do not believe the bible refers to him as angel in the garden, does it? Small things do matter.

[pastorbillrandles]

Nice GG- its not me, you insist that it is what I write that is Satanic- thanks for the clarification- I suppose you think Paul was Satanic- he called Satan an "Angel of light"- And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.2 Cor 11 Also I don't forgive you to "feel better"- I forgive you ( of your cheap shot ) because I am a Christian-

[pastorbillrandles]

Fabian... Lucifer is still an Angel, the Bible refers to “the Angels that sinned” Job 1 has Satan appearing at an assembly of Angels, Paul in 2 Cor 11 refers to Satan as one who appears as an Angel of light, Galatians 1 refers to Angels bringing another gospel. The Bible reveals that the serpent in the garden is none other than the fallen Angel-Lucifer-

Revelation 12:7 talks about the Dragon and his angels
Matthew 25 tells us that Hell was made for the Devil and his Angels...
I can’t figure out why this is such a problem...

[goat granny]

I didn't know Paul was in the garden of Eden, so what Paul said is not relevant to this article...

Of course I have read that he has been called an Angel of Light, but your post was about Adam and Eve and the serpent. I don't think satan would dare to appear in God's garden as an angel of light so again not relevant.....

I know some people that love the idea of serpents (not the religious one) Movies are made about them and books are written about them, but if your going to tell the story of Genesis, try sticking to scripture for your homily.

You are bringing in other scripture that is not relevant to the Genesis story....but if your a pastor, I hope those in your church are better at scripture than you...sorry, but that is jmho..

Young children in Sunday school are not told such false stories, nor are those in Catechism.

As a child I went to Sunday school in a Lutheran Church and had private instructions before marriage in the Catholic Faith..

[fabian]

okay...did not realize that! Thanks.

[pastorbillrandles]

Granny- Paul was the Lord's apostle, he was talking about the whathappened in the garden of Eden, in the chapter I cited ...2 Cor 11 vs 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. All scripture is relevant to other scripture- Thanks for your "humble opinion" but as you yourself admitted, your knowledge of scripture is limited- lets just agree to disagree -

[pastorbillrandles]

Hey we are all learning- merry christmas

[goat granny]

Just one question again.

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. >>>>>

In debate one must stick to the subject.....Your use of the word, satan as being an attractive angel in the Genesis story. You are totally wrong and by the quote of Paul that you use, he doesn't say that the serpent was an attractive angel...

We disagree, but your stubborn refusal to say you misquoted scripture makes you less than humble and will turn into a pretzel to say you are right in what you write..

Personally I don't care if you misquote scripture, but as a pastor you should choose your story's carefully and quote scripture correctly....but that is between you and God...so I agree, we disagree on what you stated...

[pastorbillrandles]

Granny why do you want to insult and falsly accuse me of twisting scripture?
I grant that you don’t understand the scriptural analogy between Eve and Mary, but you don’t have to post publically that I am doing with scripture,what Satan did!
Neither do you have to distort what I am saying out of pride and refusal to admit you are wrong.
I have already quoted from 2 Cor 11 where Paul states that Satan poses as an Angel of Light, then I showed you from the same chapter that Paul used Genesis three, the account of Satan,Adam and Eve as areference. You are being obtuse, for some reason you want to establish that I have misquoted scripture, when I haven’t I have stuck to the subject, See for yourself 2 Cor 11:3-14- I am not stubborn, I fear God and would never want to misquote scripture-
You said,”You are totally wrong”- but cannot tell me how, without misrepresenting what I have been saying and insulting me-

BTW what was your question?

[goat granny]

I grant that you don’t understand the scriptural analogy between Eve and Mary, but you don’t have to post publically that I am doing with scripture,what Satan did!>>>>

I said you misquoted scripture in your Genesis story....

Again you say I don't understand the analogy between Eve and Mary, you are wrong in that judgment...being well versed in Catholic teaching and dogma...

When we debate what was written in Genesis, I state and believe you misquoted scripture and if you reread Genesis you will also see that...

When debating Genesis, the subject is just that Genesis, not other subjects within the bible...In other words, I believe that one should stick to the point...

This is important to you so I am sorry if I offended you, but I disagree with what you stated....as I said, I had no intention to offend, but you never did explain why you decided to change the scripture in Genesis....

I hope this puts an end to the discussion, as we have no point of agreement on the Genesis story...

And I hope the Lord bless's you in your ministry...