DNA Research and Mormon Scholars Changing Basic Beliefs

Beliefnet ^ | July 26, 2004 | Patty Henetz

[ansel12]

Nope, I have seen studies showing quite clearly that the more years an originally devout Christian (or member of another faith) spends in schooling the more likely they are to become agnostic or atheist.

Where are those studies?

I posted one that says differently but you said it was "irrelevant".

“Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects.
Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable."

[Sherman Logan]

Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable.

Righto. Please point out where I stated otherwise.

Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects.

While this is no doubt true, it does not invalidate my point. More of those scientists who were raised in believing homes remained faithful. This says nothing whatsoever about the percentage of believing scientists as compared to the general population.

[ansel12]

There is a definite correlation between years of schooling and loss of religious faith.

Why do you keep denying your own post?

The only study sited on this thread related to your claim, refutes it.

"Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable. Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects."

[Paragon Defender]

Your robotic posting of a single post, over and over, are evidence of being a cult victim.

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Actually, I broke out of the anti-Mormon cult and learned the truth. I know how pointless it is to play an anti-Mormon activists game.

The best thing in my opinion is to merely give the lurker an option to find the truth. Arguing with an anti is pointless. Yes I do it anyway from time to time. I am weak.

[ansel12]

Actually, I broke out of the anti-Mormon cult and learned the truth.

Even that is a robotic, cult victim response.

Before joining the Mormons, you were in an anti-Mormon cult? Where, for how long?

[fr_freak]

Your criticism of the source is not necessarily appropriate. Yes, the website is leftwing and atheist.

Well, sure, why would we question anything that's leftwing and atheist? I can't imagine. Oh, wait - leftwing, atheist, and wiki, even better.

I'm well aware of the bias against religion that exists in academia. However, hard sciences tend to be more conservative than other, softer sciences. Part of our discussion, at least the part that I was getting myself into, was whether there was a difference between the number of religious members of the hardcore sciences and the number of religious members of "other" sciences. The survey cited in your wiki site was strictly of members of the National Academy of Sciences, which may skew left just in its membership, and no mention is made of what constitutes "scientists" in their view. Do they classify anthropologists as scientists right along with physicists? How about "social scientists"? They do not say. So the original question goes unanswered, even with your cite.

By the way, I included the cite listing the famous scientists through the years who were devout in there faith to demonstrate that achieving the pinnacle of scientific thought does not preclude one from believing in God. In fact, often the opposite is true., which is why I asked the original question in the first place.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Correct me if I’m wrong, but FARMS still exists as a sub-unit of the Maxwell Institute with its own distinctive cluster of BYU faculty and staff.***

Is this the same as DAMAGE CONTROL?

Though question asked! DAMAGE CONTROL! DAMAGE CONTROL!

[Pontiac]

I don’t really know.

I did a search for FARMS and found that they were now the Maxwell Institute.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Your robotic posting of a single post, over and over, are evidence of being a cult victim.***

And I am tried of missing every IB4PD post I try to make!

[Godzilla]

And I am tried of missing every IB4PD post I try to make!

Rest assured - you'll get plenty more chances ;P

[delacoert]

You do an exellent impression of a drama queen.

[delacoert]

I don’t really know.

Me neither.

Internet citations are always dated. Names change with time.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***You do an exellent impression of a drama queen.***

Oh wy thank you! (taking a bow).

[delacoert]

We seem to get blamed for everything.

I haven't noticed that tendency at all here on FR forums.

As you can tell, if I notice even the faintest whiff of antisemitic prose, I immediately contend with it.

Shalom.

[delacoert]

Ridiculous assertion... especially in the context of a "Mormon scholar" discussion started by you under the censorship of open discussion afforded by caucus designation.

A legitimate search for truth would be open - which was only available in open threads posted subsequent to your one sided drivel.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Dear Mr. Paragon Defender,

Thank you for the opportunity to learn much more
about Mormonisms. It seems to be a very tricky
topic and often confusing to me.

On the FreeRepublics, I see lots of things posted
directly from the Mormonisms website. But then I
read posts from Mormons that say those things are
propaganda. How can that be? Does Mormonisms put
out propaganda about itself? This doesn’t seem
to make sense. Can you explain this? Is this to keep
the publics from understanding the real secrets of
Mormonisms?

Also, I am confused about how a person could
possibly become a god. I would very, very much like
to become a god. I would like to have powers
and have worshippers. Is there anything in writing
or do you have an interwebs links that would tell
me how I can become a god? I have cash for the
tithes. Is there a minimum tithes? [this may not
matter, but I am Canadian and our Loonie is worth
more than your US Dollar right now. It seems I
will have to do a conversion of Loonies to join
your group and I should probably get a discount
because of exchanging the Loonies]

Other than the New Age Movement (I saw Shirley
McClain on TV), I can’t find any other religion
that can tell me how to become a god. When I first
heard that Mormonisms can tell me how to become
a god, I leaped with excitement. Where is the link
I can follow to get the godhoods?

Also, if this is not one of the non-member secrets
of Mormonisms, can you tell me about “celestial s&x”.

I’ve read once I become a Mormonisms god, I will have
a Mormonisms goddess wife - or even multiple Mormonisms
goddesses - for, well, you know. Anyway, if you could
show me a link that gives some details, I would like
to read about that too! For sure! The links you give in
the post #1 do not cover becoming a Mormonisms god or
the other thing. I’m not sure why?

Thank you for posting this thread for us who are
interested in Mormonisms to learn the very
real stuff that is pretty much held secret from the
publics.

I am excited to learn more.

Very thankfully,

A More Perfect Unions

PS - Mr. PD, I had a very traumatic experience in 4th grade
of falling off a bicycle and hitting myself where it hurts.
Please tell me I do not have to ride a bicycle again, if I
become a Mormonisms.

[SoConPubbie]

I have a MS degree, course work in neurophysiology drove me closer to God. As I peered into the inner workings of neurons I realized it can’t all be from chance.

Same here.

My study if the sciences, physics, chemistry, biology, math only confirmed for me that fact that God not only exists, but he created this universe we live in.

The inter-connected order of the universe is what did it for me.

The idea that the world just came to be is laughable and further, it takes more faith to believe in the Theory of Evolution, than it does to believe in the concept that a Loving God created everything in this world.

[SoConPubbie]

The best thing in my opinion is to merely give the lurker an option to find the truth. Arguing with an anti is pointless. Yes I do it anyway from time to time. I am weak.

True, because the Antis are simply providing the Truth via the foundational documents of your religion and the writings of the founders of your religion.

Arguing against the facts is usually fruitless.

[April Lexington]

Shalome!