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To: 1010RD; SZonian
Too vague. By this definition anything is Christianity. While it certainly isn't a building, it isn't people either.

Wrong again - church is the 'ekklesia' - the called out ones, the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth and the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven. Perhaps your are not well read enough.

People are Christians. They practice Christianity, but Christianity is a belief system and a way of life.

Nope, "people" are not necessarily "christian" for practicing a "belief system" any more than sleeping in a garage makes you a car 10. To be a follower of Christ is not a 'belief system'. Belief systems are products of men.

To make Christianity "true" it must be headed by Jesus Christ himself or else it cannot bear his name and be true.

Nope again - to be true the Person, nature and works of Christ (ie the definition of WHO Jesus is) must be true. Under your definition there would be no separation between JW, Unitarians, Moonies, etc. Additionally, LOTS of organizations 'bear' the name of Jesus - doesn't make them true either.

Overreach on this one. He didn't promise it would remain intact throughout history. That's eisegsis.

Just another ignorant statement - THAT is EISEGESIS 10 and an epic fail on your part. There is absolutely NOTHING in Jesus' promise to Peter that would indicate otherwise - except morg theology - thus eisegesis on your part.

In Noah's day you had universal apostasy.

Not ABSOLUTE universal though because Noah and his family were found righteous before Lord.

Josaiah as experienced universal apostasy among his people.

Josaiah is not found in the OT - If you are referring to Josiah, his reign is noteworthy for the great revivals back to the worship of Jehovah which he led.

Jesus encountered it as well.

Biblical reference please - I don't accept the bom references.

An abandonment of what one has voluntarily professed; a total desertion or departure from one's faith, principles, or party; esp., the renunciation of a religious faith; as, Julian's apostasy from Christianity.

Webster's dictionary is a poor source for theology 10. However, if we apply the same the key is the word TOTAL comprising the whole number or amount , which leaves NO room for any to slip by.

The LDS definition of Apostasy

Please note that the contents of the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, a joint product of Brigham Young University and Macmillan Publishing Company, do not necessarily represent the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

#4 most certainly is always happening, but is it complete? Few Christians observe the Sabbath Day who would otherwise strictly adhere to the other Ten Commandments.

mormon do not observe the sabbath either as defined within the Bible.

The Trinity is another example of changes to the gospel of Jesus Christ

Mormon polytheism is another example of changes to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

529 posted on 01/15/2011 5:36:01 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla; SZonian
...church is the 'ekklesia' - the called out ones, the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth and the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven. Perhaps your are not well read enough.

That's a better definition than your original statement, but it still isn't Biblical. It's too loosey-goosey. The churches of the NT are orderly and geographical with the persons at a specific locale and professing faith in Jesus Christ falling under an ordained hierarchy of leadership.

e.g. Acts 14:23 Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

Here's the word "church" in Greek:ekklésia Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

The addition of "HELPS Word-studies" by Helps Ministries, Inc. works to obfuscate the word further by its attempt to universalize the definition. It doesn't make sense if the Church is "the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom" without further definition of what makes up a believer, that is what is the right belief and for that the Bible is clear. It isn't simply any professed believer in Jesus Christ, there's order in God's true Church.

The definition you posted, while theologically convenient is eisegesis. Particularly your reference to the "assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven" which is absurd in light of Biblical truth.

I'd like to discuss your other assertions in this post further, but I don't have time until later in the week. Take care.

532 posted on 01/18/2011 5:52:53 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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