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Warning: Energy “Healing” and Reiki May Be Offered to You at Your Hospital
Lighthouse Trails Reserach ^ | December 20 2010 | Editors at Lighthouse Trails

Posted on 12/27/2010 5:00:20 AM PST by joiful77

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To: joiful77

Where is the graphic of that hole with everyone just jumping into it?


41 posted on 12/27/2010 8:35:30 AM PST by onedoug
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes, I witnessed it myself - a young woman (assumed she was a therapist) came in and offered my Mom reiki. Mom was recovering from gall bladder removal surgery and had no idea what the girl was talking about. I told her no thanks and she went away. Don’t know if they would have billed Medicare or not or if it is already an allowable charge under Medicare.


42 posted on 12/27/2010 8:37:03 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: joiful77

Is Obamcare paying for this?
They deny proven breast cancer medicines but they will waste money on this nonsense?


43 posted on 12/27/2010 8:43:11 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I fail to how getting pummeled by a status-seeking former landscaper is therapeutic.

You may wish to review Vertebral Artery Syndrome and chiropractic.


44 posted on 12/27/2010 8:59:29 AM PST by seton89 (No taxpayers were harmed in the making of Fords)
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To: joiful77
(True story) Recently a guy tried to sell me some little gold stickers to put on my cell phone. He assured me that it would make me stronger and improve my balance. I told him I was a quart low on bullsh** but he didn't respond with an offer of a fill up. I have his card if anyone is interested in buying his stickers. snort/>>//
45 posted on 12/27/2010 9:11:23 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Sioux-san

Wow.

I see things like this, and fear we are losing the sort of rational, scientific thinking and critical analysis that allows the operation and maintenance of a techno-industrial civilization.


46 posted on 12/27/2010 9:28:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: joiful77
“is a force or energy pouring out of the practitioner’s hands into the client or subject.

If it's the former (force), then that's also widely known as "boxing" or "karate".

47 posted on 12/27/2010 9:30:53 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Darnright
Someone rubs various body parts, waves their hands around chanting "ooogly boogly!" and you're healed.

It's New Age codswollop masquerading as medicine. Nevertheless, even those you'd assume have a modicum of common sense will show up to demand that it works just as well.

48 posted on 12/27/2010 9:31:21 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Of course we are -- just as the political class wants us to. Stupid serfs are easier to herd.

DOn't worry, though; did you hear they're doing new seasons of "American Idol," "Dancing with the Stars" and "Survivor?"

49 posted on 12/27/2010 9:33:55 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Chiropractic should in no way be lumped in with reiki. Every adult member of my family, save my daughter-in-law, has visited a chiropractor, with outstanding results.

Prior to my first chiropractic visit, I was told to "just take more Tylenol."

You do have to be careful with chiropractic, since a lot of quacks do gravitate towards that field.

That said, I remember reading about a police department investigation into a chiropractic clinic they suspected was scamming patients. As part of their investigation, they sent in one of the officers undercover. The clinic diagnosed and treated her. With that proof of scamming, they took the clinic to court. Unfortunately (for the PD), their case against the clinic was thrown out when the undercover police officer testified that she had, in fact, been injured in a car accident a few weeks prior to going to the clinic. Oops.

50 posted on 12/27/2010 9:45:13 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
"Prior to my first chiropractic visit, I was told to "just take more Tylenol.""

When I was in my late-20's, I had severe sciatica and a neurologist diagnosed a bulging disc in my lower back. He said he would give me pain-killers and muscle-relaxants until I didn't want to deal w/ the pain any longer and then he would do surgery. When I asked about chiropractice, he said not to waste my time.

I decided I would try chiropractic before I had surgery. It took 3-4 months to get everything worked out the first time and I had periodic bouts of sciatica for about 10 years that I would have to go back for shorter rounds of treatment to alleviate, but I haven't been to the chiropractor for about 15 years and I don't have any back problems. That is compared to a co-worker who had similar back pain, had surgery and wound up worse-off than before.

I don't believe that chiropractic can cure everything that comes along like some claim, but if I had back, neck or limb nerve pain I would sure give chiropractic a try before I had spinal surgury.

I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. JMO. :-)

51 posted on 12/27/2010 10:12:48 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: madmominct

Theologically, I think there are different interpretations from different sorts of Christians. Some say it depends on what is being channeled. There are Christian healers who lay on hands in the name of Jesus, for example.

Our clients who have had acupuncture have had differing results. I have seen, for example, acupuncture done by an MD for a strained knee that left the client with a swollen, red, painful joint, worse than when he went in. The thing with a lot of modalities, and I include massage, is that the positive effects may be cumulative, may be transient, and may be effective until the next time the client experiences an aggravation of their condition, whatever that may be. OTOH, I have seen migraine sufferers improve tremendously to the point where they need nothing at all for months. Acute muscle injuries also respond well and some chronic conditions improve or resolve. I believe the ratios are about the same as for other physical or sports medicine. Most of our referring MDs/APRNs want to find modalities that lessen drug dependence and frequent ER visits and avoid surgery. Most use massage for themselves and their families and some have used acupuncture, as well.

I have not had acupuncture. I have experienced Reiki and it felt just like an electric heat source was applied to my sore muscle. It felt positive and eased the discomfort, but was not *curative*. I get more relief from knowledgeable massage based on Western anatomical principles. FWIW, it did not make me uncomfortable spiritually and I did not feel violated in any manner.

In my area, anyone can be certified in Reiki for around $100. So, there are a lot of practitioners and many don’t even charge. A majority of the massage therapists are middle-aged women who are experiencing a loss of hand strength and whose connective tissue is weaker than it was pre-menopause. They have all changed modalities and now the majority still practicing do energy work. My husband’s clients all express disappointment with the results and see him for anatomically-based work. I retired at 63 due to loss of hand strength. I have a hand-manufacturing business, as well, and that alone puts enough stress on my hands, but I can pace myself in that business better than I can in massage. And I have found ways to spare my hands and still achieve a satisfactory product.

Being brought into the medical system doesn’t mean being covered by insurance. Some institutions pay the therapists by the client or by the time worked. There is the prospect of a steady client stream, but income can be reduced and there is a difference in client compliance between being *told* to seek these modalities and choosing it for oneself. We have worked under insurance in the past and the payment schedule, both the reimbursement itself and the time it takes to receive it, is inferior to private practice with clients who pay out of pocket, while the workload can be punishing. Many of my husband’s clients do get some reimbursement from their carrier, but they pay out of pocket, up front, and then get reimbursed by the insurance carrier.


52 posted on 12/27/2010 11:10:46 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: seton89

We had a client who experienced this from a cervical adjustment. Quite frightening and she immediately went to a physician for a check-up. Her problem is deteriorating disks. She is young and a dairy farmer. She has so far avoided surgery, stopped milking and gets massage infrequently. All of this, especially stopping the milking, has resulted in an improvement.

There are no quick fixes for some conditions. We always advise someone with chronic recurring disability to see their physician and get an image (MRI or CAT). Sometimes, it is something that can be fixed easily and quickly. Most resolve completely. A few do not. Often, after an image, the physician can better decide if surgery is absolutely necessary or if massage and a change of work can help.

We have referring chiropractors and chiropractor clients. The ones we work with are ethical and will not simply attempt a cervical adjustment, promising a cure. Some are scammers and are dangerous, but it is difficult to do anything at all about them. Unfortunately, they have to seriously injure someone before word of mouth ends their practice. I don’t know any who are former landscapers. Most have a Bachelor of Science and a 4-year chiropractic training. I have seen PTs do the same adjustments and manipulations. They also have a BS plus advanced clinical training.

Personally, I do not use chiro. I also have reservations about some massage techniques that target anterior cervical musculature. However, I have had that work and the results were positive and everyone I have seen who did the same had a good resolution. Some of us have too much knowledge of the areas of endangerment and it makes us tense up and subconsciously resist the treatment, which can be counterproductive, if not dangerous.

We all need to inform ourselves and make choices based on that knowledge. There are many failed vertebral surgeries, as well. People can also not improve from lidocaine/steroid shots or iontophoresis. Some very good physical medicine practices incorporate massage, acupuncture and adjustments/manipulations, usually performed by a DO and sometimes by a PT. IMO, the key is a gatekeeper physician who really is informed, and often trained, in complementary modalities. The key is understanding what to use, when and for how long. The physicians I have worked with will often prefer to avoid surgical intervention if at all possible and are extremely candid on the prognosis. Many require chronic pain patients to seek non-invasive therapies as an alternative to continuing opiate use. The entire field can be frustrating to all the clinical practitioners involved. There are conditions of the human musculo-skeletal system that sometimes just defy resolution.


53 posted on 12/27/2010 11:49:25 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: GourmetDan; exDemMom
I just know that in the early 90's, I began having headaches every stinking day. They originated in my neck, at which time the doctor said take more tylenol. Found a chiropractor, had some x-rays, he asked if I had had a neck injury a few years back, judging by what he saw on the x-rays, and I had been in a wreck where a truck turned in front of me and had gone to the hospital with a neck injury, not exactly whiplash, but I was sore. Within about 3 weeks of starting treatment with the chiropractor, I was no longer having daily headaches.

My present doc is a lady who treats me, my 80 y.o. mom, my husband, two daughters and son-in-law.

54 posted on 12/27/2010 12:23:54 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: joiful77

this is placebo effect.

Some folks are easily hypnotized and respond to suggestion.

Most folks can be persuaded that something works.

But few of us think it’s any better or worse than sugar pills, faith healing, or acupuncture.


55 posted on 12/27/2010 6:54:32 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: joiful77
I don't know enough about Reiki to comment, but several other alternative ways of healing are indeed helpful, such as acupuncture, chiropractic, herbs, and therapeutic essential oils.

I have all but healed my hyperthyroid (Grave's Disease) with essential oils, herbs, and acupuncture. My blood pressure has lowered, pills for anxiety I previously took were tossed out over a year ago, pills for imbalance (vertigo) were tossed out as well, and so on.
56 posted on 12/27/2010 8:59:23 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: dangerdoc
Far infrared energy is just heat. Actually, no, it is not just heat. It is part of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum. It is a form of radiation. Heat is a by-product of its reaction to molecules. Certain gemstones emanate this radiation. The human body can be willed to create it as well. Those who can, hear.
57 posted on 12/28/2010 8:52:45 AM PST by RideForever
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To: RideForever
“The human body can be willed to create it as well. “

A warm blooded body will generate IR at a spectrum consistent with the internal temperature. A dead body will continue radiating at frequencies consistent with room temperature.

All stones generate IR consistent with its temperature. There is nothing mystical going on.

Wrapping magical thinking with technical jargon does not make it science.

58 posted on 12/28/2010 9:38:05 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: GourmetDan

Although some people do eventually need it, you can’t undo surgery.

Studies show that chiropractic, physical therapy and accupuncture all improve back pain. The interesting findings are that chiropractic and physical therapy are equally effective and that accupuncture works whether or not you actually use the accupunture maps or just randomly insert needles.


59 posted on 12/28/2010 10:23:56 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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