What did Jesus (not) say about... His mother, Mary?

You insist of looking at the Bible in isolation, as if we must deny it a broader context. But the Bible was written not for us so much as a veteran might write about his wars toward the end of his life, or as someone else might put down his recollections. The New Testament is full of the names of people who are mere names to us, and this includes
the so-called brothers and sisters of Christ. Except for James, we know nothing about any of them. But the Church has always had the same Scripture we have had but found nothing in them to contradict what the Church has always said about Mary, which is that she was ever Virgin. You insist that the Bible is plain on this point? i say it was plainer to the first generation who read it. After all, many of them could put faces to those names and tell stories about them. we can’t—that is, unless we listen to the Church.

But if Jesus had siblings they would be in their 20's and quite capable of caring for their mother.

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Jesus couldn't preach in his own town...No one would believe him since he grew up around them...And Jesus indicates that no one in a prophet's own home, and his home as well would believe He was the Messiah...Except Mary of course...

There are other verses of scripture to back this up...

Jesus sent his mother to John because Jesus loved him most and knew John as a Christian would take care of Mary...

You insist that the Bible is plain on this point? i say it was plainer to the first generation who read it. After all, many of them could put faces to those names and tell stories about them. we can’t—that is, unless we listen to the Church.

Perhaps...Perhaps not...There are just a couple of church fathers that may have had contact with the apostles but how do we know they weren't the ones who taught another gospel per Paul's warnings???

How do we know they were not the ones perverting the words of God???

And how do we know that their writings are real??? It's been judged, even by Catholics that at least half of the writings of Ignatius were forged; not written by Ignatius...But yet the Catholics on FR continue to quote Ignatius...

There are other Catholic historical writings that have been proven to be forged...

You insist that the Bible is plain on this point? i say it was plainer to the first generation who read it.

I disagree...

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you

We have the same spirit in us that these first generation Christians had which is the Holy Spirit...The one who will guide us into all truth (insofar as we are willing to follow)...The One who bears witness with our spirit that these things are so...

I put zero stock in any writings of the church fathers where they deviate from scripture...

And plenty has been posted recently that shows that those same early church fathers as well, rejected anything that wasn't found in scripture...

You are ignoring the fact that the Reformers took a flying leap into the Bible fifteen hundred years after the events recorded in the Bible and tried to reconstruct that world based solely on what they can decipher from its pages. The information is not there, and if it cannot be found from other sources, then we simply cannot know what is meant. The text so often alludes to people know to the then living who are unknown to us. The Birth Stories are so different that we must assume that either Matthew or Luke got facts wrong or that we just don't know what actually happened. We know from other sources that Pontius Pilate was an historic figure, and when he was procurator of Judea, but we still do not know for sure when Jesus was crucified. The closest thing we have to a history —Acts—is pretty fragmentary. Peter just suddenly disappears from the story, a very truncated version of Paul's missionary career—not always easily reconciled with Paul's own accounts—followed by a fairly details of his career after he is arrested, but ending suddenly as if Luke just dropped his pen in mid-scroll.

If you've got something, show it...

Typical moving of the goal posts of someone who gets caught out on a statement.

This: Pick out some scripture that shows Mary as a role model mother as Jesus was growing up...

Does not equal this: there isn't anything to really point to Mary as a role model...

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