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To: dangus
We should seek after miracles. But in those times when we are powerless, when we need the gift of consolation, patience, serendipity, acceptance, we can also look to Mary as a role model of how to relate to Jesus.

There is nothing (or very little) in the Bible on Mary's relating to or relationship with Jesus...Except for the stories your religion fabricated out of nothing, there isn't anything to really point to Mary as a role model...

You guys have made Mary the Queen of Creation...You bow to her...You pray to her...You ask her to protect you from evil...You ask Mary to provide salvation for you and dispense grace...

You didn't get any of that from the Scriptures...

Salvation and grace do not come from Mary...That doctrine will send people to Hell...

32 posted on 12/31/2010 4:15:03 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Except for the stories your religion fabricated out of nothing, there isn't anything to really point to Mary as a role model...

Wow, that's a new low for the Protestant side - Mary doesn't even rise to the level of a "role model".

47 posted on 12/31/2010 8:49:46 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Iscool

You insist of looking at the Bible in isolation, as if we must deny it a broader context. But the Bible was written not for us so much as a veteran might write about his wars toward the end of his life, or as someone else might put down his recollections. The New Testament is full of the names of people who are mere names to us, and this includes
the so-called brothers and sisters of Christ. Except for James, we know nothing about any of them. But the Church has always had the same Scripture we have had but found nothing in them to contradict what the Church has always said about Mary, which is that she was ever Virgin. You insist that the Bible is plain on this point? i say it was plainer to the first generation who read it. After all, many of them could put faces to those names and tell stories about them. we can’t—that is, unless we listen to the Church.


62 posted on 01/01/2011 10:41:13 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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