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To: roamer_1
I disagree. You might study on why Yeshua only fulfilled the spring Holy Days (and how they are fulfilled) for a grander view... And IF that is so, The Triumphal entry cannot have happened as Christians suppose. The Fall Holy Days have yet to find their fulfillment.

Interesting theory, but only a theory.

The fact remains that nowhere in the NT, not from the lips of Jesus nor from the apostolic writers, do we find the notion of a rebuilt temple with Jesus seated in a literal throne. That what the apostate Jews wanted, and why they rejected Jesus, because He had rejected their ideas of the kingdom.

Now we have whole groups of Christians today accepting the same faulty view of the kingdom that Jesus rejected.

I believe the Old Covenant informs the New, not the other way around.

Informs, but does not override. E.g., the sacrificial system with the priesthood and temple was a pointer forward to Christ. It was intended to pass away when that to which it pointed, Jesus Christ, came on the scene. The law was out tutor to point us to Christ. The law and prophets testified of Christ.

13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete . Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8)

Obsolete. Yet some sad Christians see it as being reconstituted in the future, complete with animal sacrifice for sin. This is blasphemy.

The NT clearly interprets the Old. That's the way the writers took it anyway.

36 posted on 01/01/2011 11:38:50 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54
Sorry to reply so late. I have not been here much lately...

The fact remains that nowhere in the NT, not from the lips of Jesus nor from the apostolic writers, do we find the notion of a rebuilt temple with Jesus seated in a literal throne.

As to the Temple, The Revelation mirrors Ezekiel

As to the throne, Matthew 25:31...

But more to the point, your position causes these prophecies (among many, many others) to be made lies: Isaiah 16:5; Zechariah 6:12, 13; Jeremiah 3:17

And this (among many more):

Psa 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
Psa 132:14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

[...] That what the apostate Jews wanted, and why they rejected Jesus, because He had rejected their ideas of the kingdom.

Their "idea" of the Kingdom may have been skewed, but the idea comes from the prophets. Your position requires Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Hosea and Joel to be removed from the canon, as all speak explicitly of the time AFTER Christ's return.

Informs, but does not override. E.g., the sacrificial system with the priesthood and temple was a pointer forward to Christ. It was intended to pass away when that to which it pointed, Jesus Christ, came on the scene.

Then why do the prophets predict sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom?

The law was out tutor to point us to Christ. The law and prophets testified of Christ.

But the Torah stands FOREVER. And John tells us that we know we love God when we are walking in His Commandments... And that those who claim to be God's that do not keep the commandments are liars.

13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete . Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8)

Obsolete. Yet some sad Christians see it as being reconstituted in the future, complete with animal sacrifice for sin. This is blasphemy.

Ahh... Hebrews 8... It does not say it IS obsolete. It says it is becoming obsolete... It is about to pass away... When EXACTLY does it pass away?

At the very least, the Old Covenant MUST remain open until every word of the prophets is fulfilled. It MUST remain until every Holy Day and the Jubilee have their final fulfillment.

The only date that I have found to tie that to is Rev 10:7, at the sounding of the Seventh Trump.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Most assuredly, that is not yet. And even after that, the saints are seen singing a song of Moses AND of Christ.

63 posted on 01/03/2011 12:30:06 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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