God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope Benedict

Yahoo News ^ | 01/06/2011 | Philip Pullella

[Cronos]

Oh, so are you saying that your God does not love "white trash"? Why?

The Jews for Christ and Traditional Hasidic Jews and other Orthodox Jews join the Catholic Church in welcoming the poorer sections of society that your group rejects. It's not very Christian of your goy society.

[Cronos]

This is what the Rabbi Zolli, an Orthodox Rabbi who converted to Catholicism said in an interview

"Then you believe that the Messiah has come?" the interviewer asked.

"Yes, positively," replied Zolli. "I have believed it many years. And now I am so firmly convinced of the truth of it that I can face the whole world and defend my faith with the certainty and solidity of the mountains."

"I am convinced that after this war, the only means of withstanding the forces of destruction and of undertaking the reconstruction of Europe will be the acceptance of Catholicism—that is to say, the idea of God and of human brotherhood through Christ, and not a brotherhood based on race and supermen, for ‘there is neither Jew nor Greek; neither bond nor free; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.’

"I was a Catholic at heart before the war broke out, and I promised God in 1943 that I should become a Christian if I survived the war. No one in the world ever tried to convert me. My conversion was a slow evolution, altogether internal. Years ago, unknown to myself, I gave such an intimately Christian form and character to my writings that an archbishop in Rome said of my book, The Nazarene , ‘Everyone is susceptible of errors, but so far as I can see, as a bishop, I could sign my name to this book.’ I am beginning to understand that for many years I was a natural Christian. If I had noticed that fact 20 years ago, what has happened now would have happened then."

You don't accept the NT, ok, here's verses from the OT for you:

Genesis 3:15 --> The Messiah is to be the seed of Woman

Psalm 2:7 & Proverbs 30:4 --> The Messiah is the Son of God

Psalm 16:10 --> The Messiah will be resurrected from the dead

Isiaih 7:14 --> Messiah to be born of a virgin Isaiah

Isaiah 52:13-53:12 --> Messiah to suffer, die and rise again

Isaiah 55:3-4 & Jeremiah 31:31-33 ---> The new and everlasting Covenant

Joel 2:28-29 --> The coming of the Holy Spirit in the days of the Messiah

As you can see the Old Testament Messianic prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. I've just given you some, there are more and all are fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

Some of the prophecies are so framed, in fact, as to preclude their fulfillment by anyone living after the first century A.D. For example, the patriarch Jacob said, in Genesis 49:10, "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come." The name “Shiloh” is a title of the Messiah, and the prophecy states that Judah's tribe would remain the chief tribe in Israel, in particular providing their kings, until Messiah would come. The prophecy must have been fulfilled prior to the destruction of Judah and Jerusalem in A.D. 70, by which time certainly all semblance of a scepter had departed from Judah.

An even more striking prophecy is given in Daniel 9:24-27. There Daniel was told explicitly that Messiah would come 69 "sabbaths" (that is, 69 sabbatical years - a total of 483 years) after the decree was given to rebuild Jerusalem, which at that time lay in ruins after Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had destroyed it.

Such a decree was given later by the Persian emperor. Although the exact date of the decree is somewhat uncertain, the termination date of the prophecy must have been some time in the first century A.D. In fact, it must have been before the destruction of the city and the temple by the Romans in A.D. 70, because the prophecy said quite explicitly: “After (the 483 years) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” (Daniel 9:26). Not only must Messiah come before this destruction, but He was also to be“cut off,” rejected and killed, before it came.

It is obvious that no one but Jesus could have fulfilled these prophecies. The prophecies absolutely preclude any still future Messiah, except that even that hope also will find its fulfillment in the second coming of Christ.

And then, of course, there are still hundreds of other prophecies, all of which were fulfilled by Jesus Christ: His virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14); His birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2); His sacrificial death (Isaiah 53:5); His crucifixion (Psalm 22:14-18); His bodily resurrection (Psalm 16:10); and many others. All of these unite in their witness that “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” (John 20:31).

The probability that hundreds of such specific predictions, each quite independent of the others, could all be fulfilled concurrently in one individual, is unlikely in the highest degree, especially in view of the miraculous nature of many of them (e.g., the virgin birth, the resurrection, etc.). No rational conclusion seems possible except that Jesus is all He claims - Messiah, Savior, Lord and God

Any reasonable person who examines these Old Testament prophecies in an objective manner must conclude that Jesus was the promised Messiah. "If these messianic prophecies were written hundreds of years before they occurred, and if they could never have been foreseen and depended upon factors outside human control for their fulfillment, and if all of these prophecies perfectly fit the person and life of Jesus Christ, then Jesus had to be the Messiah."

[Zionist Conspirator]

As you can see the Old Testament Messianic prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. I've just given you some, there are more and all are fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

No they are not. The "new testament" claims that they are, and this is what chr*stians believe. Take away the claims of the "new testament" and the "fulfillment" of these verses in chr*stianity disappears completely.

All this is very strange coming from an evolutionist.

[Cronos]

Refute my points —> and don’t make it personal and pretend to read minds by saying “from an evolutionist

[Zionist Conspirator]

Refute my points —> and don’t make it personal and pretend to read minds by saying “from an evolutionist

What "points?" All you have done--all that any chr*stian ever does--is to repeat for the umpteen quadrillionth time the claims of the "new testament" and of chr*stianity that J*sus was the fulfillment of the TaNa"KH's messianic prophecies. Do you really think those claims are self-authenticating?

Judaism was here first. Everyone, even chr*stians, acknowledge that G-d spoke at Sinai. I have nothing to "prove" and nothing to "refute." All the burden is on you and anyone else who wants to defend any unwarranted innovation.

[Cronos]

Wait a minute -- which goyim goes around as a "conspirator" making us think that real Jews go about cursing people in posts like your points? Luckily I know and knew Jewish folks religious and non-religious who would discuss religion with me but never curse like I see in your posts, so I was shocked to see what I thought was a Jewish person making up such lies. But then I found out that it's not a Jewish person but a wannabe

You want to believe what you want to believe, go ahead, that's your choice -- need I remind you that YOU brought this up arguing about the nature of Christ.

Quite frankly -- you want to believe in an earth that began in 3771 BC, believe it. Some Catholics believe it too, I may be one of them, but you never bothered to ask me or any Catholic if we did before hurling invective at us

I pointed out on this thread and another (and another Catholic poster did so too) that The Church does not comment on this one way or the other, JUST that the Catholic MUST believe that God was the creative "force" (my own words).

This is similar to the tone of the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) who state that The fact is that the (Presbyterian) Church, while affirming with one voice the creation of all things visible and invisible by the triune God, has not come to a unity of position on the matter of the nature and length of the days, as she has with regard to such doctrines as the Trinity and the Person of Christ. This indicates that the Westminster divines were correct in their affirmation that “all things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all. . .” (WCF I, 7).
Ditto for some Baptists who hold to the old earth theory

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary professor William Dembski’s book, The End of Christianity (B&H Academic), argued that the universe is billions of years old—rather than thousands, as young-earth creations contend—and that God brought death, decay and natural disasters to earth long before Adam and Eve sinned

Yet I only see you attacking Catholics and not Presbyterians or Baptists for holding the same "no comments". -- WHY?

You have been told over and over again that The Church does not comment on this one way or the other, JUST that the Catholic MUST believe that God was the creative "force" (my own words). and then you ascribe some antagonism that happened to you and start to curse all us Catholics for your bad experience? You wish to start a pogrom against us for what you have experienced in the past?

If you say that you know "the vast majority of Catholic", yet have you ever left the US to talk to Catholics in the Philippines, in India, in Hong Kong, in France, Poland, Belgium, Kenya, etc? If you haven't how do you extrapolate your experience with a few stateside to make you want to put a yellow-star against all of us?

let's take all of the false invective you have posted on me and my people and if you replace the blanks with "Jews" or even "Orthodox Jews", aren't those anti-Semitic statements?

Note: *These are all your posts*

"I was making the very plain and obvious observation that you and most ________ hold the same view of rural American chr*stians that Obama and the liberals do. "

"Unfortunately, _____ reject the historicity of the Biblical narrative of the first eleven chapters of Genesis out of hand because “that’s what the trailer trash believe.”"

"But you_______ don't know diddly squat about being "under attack" at Free Republic."

"_________on FR (and elsewhere) regularly wage open warfare on Genesis as if it were an evil, subversive book that is threatening to derail the entire ________ religion"

" I took the hypocrisy of the teachings of the _______"

"________ reject the literal truth of Genesis because "that is what the white trash believe."

"The _____________ despises the simple people of rural America while celebrating pompous intellectuals and third world illiterates"

Your invective and bile on this thread and others does your adopted religion of Judaism a great dis-service and great damage.

[Cronos]

ping :)

[Hacksaw]

The Catholic "gxd" loves only scientists and intellectuals, though, like the Democrat party, it seems to find space in its heart for illiterates of every other ethno-culture under the sun.

You're right - Catholics come from very wealthy city families, attend Harvard, and go on to become high powered lawyers and pornographers. They look down on those who came from poor European nations and regularly slander those who don't give them 100% validation. Whait a minute, that's a different religion I am talking about.

Only "white trash" are excluded. I know, because I am white trash, and I was run out of the Catholic Church.

My own opinion is that you were run out due to your personality, not your skin color.

[Zionist Conspirator]

You're right - Catholics come from very wealthy city families, attend Harvard, and go on to become high powered lawyers and pornographers. They look down on those who came from poor European nations and regularly slander those who don't give them 100% validation. Whait a minute, that's a different religion I am talking about.

Catholics occupy the same foreign, urban, immigrant niche in America that Jews did in Europe. It's a little poetic justice from G-d in the form of middah keneged middah.

I notice you display the Confederate Battle Flag on your FReeper page yet have a quote from H.L. Mencken in your tag line. Interesting (if jarring).

My own opinion is that you were run out due to your personality, not your skin color.

I was told I should leave because I interpreted Genesis 1-11 literally. I guess that's a personality disorder--at least according to Catholics.