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1 posted on 01/15/2011 10:44:24 AM PST by topcat54
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Sometimes I wonder if these misconception arise because of failure of some Christians to read the ENTIRE word of God.

The answers are usually plain and succint.

Matthew 24:11-13
(11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
(13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

What part of “endure to the end” clouds this issue?


2 posted on 01/15/2011 10:50:08 AM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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interesting. i had no idea RC Sproul was this far off base. guess i will quit listening. there is plenty of scripture that presents the idea of the church being protected from the timeof testing that will come upon the rest of the world.


4 posted on 01/15/2011 10:53:27 AM PST by applpie
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Noah and Lot were both removed before the judgement and Christ said referred to each when He spoke of the end times.

John was brought up to heaven prior to seeing the judgement that will take place on earth described in the Book of Revelation.


5 posted on 01/15/2011 10:53:43 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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bookmark for reference


6 posted on 01/15/2011 10:55:21 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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Rev 21:27 “...nothing unclean shall enter heaven”
Matt 5:26 “”...you will not be released until the last penny is paid”
1 Cor 3:15 “...suffer loss, but saved as through fire”
Here’s some more from Paul:
Romans 11:22 - remain in his kindness or you will be cut off
Phil 2:12- work out your salvation in fear and trembling
1 Cor 9:27 - drive your body for fear of being disqualified
1 Cor 10:11-12 - those thinking they are secure,the may fall
Gal 5:4 - separated from Christ, you’ve fallen from grace
2 Tim 2:11-13 - must hold out to the end to reign with Christ


8 posted on 01/15/2011 10:59:51 AM PST by G Larry
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To: topcat54

Here we go again......................


12 posted on 01/15/2011 11:19:25 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: topcat54; All

If there is one, my wife and kids will go. I shall remain behind to be one of GOD’S troops!


15 posted on 01/15/2011 11:42:06 AM PST by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25)
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Why does it matter when He comes or how many times? I want to be ready and go with Him the very first time He comes for me...that said...I do believe in the rapture. Sometimes ones heart leads the way, through scripture. If the Holy Spirit can put it in your heart to believe it doesn’t matter if you can’t explain it to another to their satisfaction. Our focus should be on having a personal relationship with Him and loving Him with all our heart,soul and mind.


18 posted on 01/15/2011 11:51:13 AM PST by Ramonne
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This is the high water mark of deception. Not the single coming of Jesus Christ, I believe in that, I’m not a pretrib rapturist, what is so deceptive is both R.C. Sproul and topcat are Preterists. They’d both be better off as dispensationalists, what they are is far worse.

Typical of Preterists, they come out attacking the dispensationalists while never telling you what they are.

Now, both Sproul and topcat are “partial” preterists, that is they believe all of Jesus’ Olivet discourse plus the whole of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70 - except for the second coming...which topcat places AFTER the millennial in Rev. 20. Of which there is not a shred of evidence for.

About as preposterous, and cowardly, a doctrine as ever devised by the mind of man. Prophecy bothers their poor timed and cowardly souls, the opt instead for a complete prophetic vacuum. Only the most timid and cowardly soul falls for such a scheme.

So called “partial” preterist is about as credible as being partial pregnant.


24 posted on 01/15/2011 12:30:13 PM PST by sasportas
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Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's high
DJ's spinnin' are savin' my mind
Flash is fast, Flash is cool
Francois sez fas, Flashe' no do
And you don't stop, sure shot
Go out to the parking lot
And you get in your car and you drive real far
And you drive all night and then you see a light
And it comes right down and lands on the ground
And out comes a man from Mars
And you try to run but he's got a gun
And he shoots you dead and he eats your head
And then you're in the man from Mars
You go out at night, eatin' cars
You eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercurys and Subarus
And you don't stop, you keep on eatin' cars
Then, when there's no more cars
You go out at night and eat up bars where the people meet
Face to face, dance cheek to cheek
One to one, man to man
Dance toe to toe
Don't move to slow, 'cause the man from Mars
Is through with cars, he's eatin' bars
Yeah, wall to wall, door to door, hall to hall
He's gonna eat 'em all
Rapture, be pure
Take a tour, through the sewer
Don't strain your brain, paint a train
You'll be singin' in the rain
I said don't stop, do punk rock
.
.
Well now you see what you wanna be
Just have your party on TV
'Cause the man from Mars won't eat up bars when the TV's on
And now he's gone back up to space
Where he won't have a hassle with the human race
And you hip-hop, and you don't stop
Just blast off, sure shot
'Cause the man from Mars stopped eatin' cars and eatin' bars
And now he only eats guitars!

25 posted on 01/15/2011 12:36:08 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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William Lane Craig also holds this position and has an interesting podcast series regarding the doctrines of the last things which can be found on his podcast page here just scroll down to the series.

The one where he talks about the rapture is in the second file here.
28 posted on 01/15/2011 1:32:33 PM PST by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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The Bible minus the Westminster Catechism equals preterism, tradition, straw man arguments, mischaracterizations and falsehoods.

P.S. I feel for your confused current location... You are very similar to my two pastors and many ofthe elders in my church...I’ll be praying for you and for them...


35 posted on 01/15/2011 2:49:17 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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The word “rapture” is never used in the Bible to describe End-time events. It is only found in the Scofield reference notes.


64 posted on 01/16/2011 4:41:48 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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