5,000 anti-LDS DVD sent to town in Arizona

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Jan. 14, 2011 | SRIANTHI PERERA

[reaganaut]

I saw it online. I need to get a copy.

[T Minus Four]

Oh yeah! IBTSOT!!!!

[Vendome]

“perfection was required before forgiveness could be obtained”

That’s just dumb.

How could you be forgiving if you weren’t willing to forgive without qualification?

You forgive despite any defect.

Still, my philosophy is “forgive your trespassers but, never forget their names”

[Vendome]

Gross...

[reaganaut]

Gross it may be, but at least Kimball was honest about Mormonism being a gospel of works. That is more than I can say about a lot of LDS armchair apologists around here.

[Colofornian]

He said Mormonism teaches that “perfection was required before forgiveness could be obtained”

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That’s not LDS doctrine.

I've seen it in other places by Lds "prophets" beyond even what Reaganaut has quoted...and can track those down...

Gospel Principles is the book the Lds church places right out front for its "inquirers."

They even tell them: “Those who receive forgiveness and then repeat the sin are held accountable for their former sins.” —Gospel Principles, 1995ed., p. 253

Normandy...if you were to sin against me...and I forgave you. And then if you repeated the sin, what would you think if I revisited your sins I forgave?

[T Minus Four]

Here's the website Concerned Christians

And here is the Amazon link to the film in question, The Bible vs Joseph Smith

My mistake, the CD I have seen and have copies of is called The Bible vs The Book of Mormon . To see the entire 67 minute video for free, click on the title.

[greyfoxx39]

I hope the producers of the dvd have done an honest and thorough job at presenting the LdS church doctrines so that the message can’t be logically or rationally dismissed as mere “anti-mormon propaganda”.

Shirley you jest! If Jesus Christ Himself appeared to the world and exposed Joseph Smith as the charlatan he was, the mormon leaders and membership would proclaim, "It's just anti-mormon propaganda" and send out another million or so guys on bikes to rebut the actual Word of God....Oh wait! That's what they have been doing for 180 years now!

[reaganaut]

If Jesus Christ Himself appeared to the world and exposed Joseph Smith as the charlatan he was, the mormon leaders and membership would proclaim, “It’s just anti-mormon propaganda” and send out another million or so guys on bikes

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I am seeing an apocalypse movie in the making here...

[Paragon Defender]

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

[SENTINEL]

This video is excellent.

I am gald I donated to them earlier this year.

[greyfoxx39]

Just click on the bear.

[Paragon Defender]

“We have not seen the DVD, but it appears it does not accurately reflect the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” said Cindy Packard, a local spokeswoman for the LDS church.
If she hasn’t seen it, how can she say that?

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Golly. Ya think maybe someone told them some of what is in it? Common sense anyone? My bet is that it’s more of the same old bogus propaganda regurgitated by the anti-Mormon community.

[Paragon Defender]

http://mormonscholarstestify.org/

[ejonesie22]

Mormon Scholars?

LOL...

[svcw]

“We have not seen the DVD, but it appears it does not accurately reflect the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

What part of We have not seen the DVD do you not get?

They haven't seen it but are condemning it.

Good grief PD, be real.

[ejonesie22]

Good grief PD, be real.

You are kidding? PD, real?

[Godzilla]

“We have not seen the DVD, but it appears it does not accurately reflect the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” said Cindy Packard, a local spokeswoman for the LDS church.

LOL - true koolaid drinker there.

[Godzilla]

I wonder if anyone is going to send DVD's to the people that live around mosques that are being built? This "appears" to be an act of a disgruntled ex-mormon rather than an act of concern for others.....

Those called to do that can - but it is disingenuous to label the individual "disgruntled" based upon what???? Sending out DVDs challenging mormon beliefs? So what do we call the mormon church - disgruntled as well with all those glitzy tv ads and 50,000 missionaries knocking on your door telling YOUR that your faith is invalid? Sounds like a double standard taxpayer.

[Godzilla]