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To: dartuser; Alex Murphy
Each of them puts forth the same basic arguments that Gentry has outlined, contains (imho) lots of exceptionally weak arguments, and does little to advance the case for an early date.

You're read Gentry then?

11 posted on 01/21/2011 12:14:47 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54
You're read Gentry then?

I have prioritized my time (I am currently in the middle of 3 other books and one formidable commentary) by looking at the section dealing with the Iraneaus quote (in my mind this is where the most fruit will be found, in the external evidence). I find the way he builds his case to be very contradictory and confusing, and thus unconvincing.

He spends alot of time developing the "could haves." He quotes lots of work to support the notion that the Latin and Greek translations could be wrong, the Latin translator was probably a moron, and that the Greek text is second hand. Further, and where I believe he makes an error, he goes on to try to convince the reader that Iraneaus is very confusing in many points in his expression and in his historical facts; but then he goes on to synthesize a "Sitz im Leben" and expects us to accept the results as a another point of a solid argument.

If Irenaeus’s famous statement is not to be re-interpreted along the lines of the argument as outlined above (although the present writer believes it should), it may still be removed as a hindrance to early date advocacy on the following grounds. These grounds may not be so substantial when considered individually, but when their combined weight is added to the above translational problem, they tend to render Irenaeus’s statement of questionable significance.

His approach and his conclusions, leave much to be desired and they often read with an aire of desperation (as it should be).

His bibliography is quite scholarly and provides lots of background work for those who wish to investigate further; for this we are all indebted to him.

PS: I am currently in the middle of

1. Biblical Eldership by Strauch (Sunday night mens Bible study)
2. The Exemplary Husband by Scott (Sat morning mens study)
3. George Muller, Man of Faith and Miracles by Miller
4. The Epistle to the Romans by Moo (he's also a post-trib), this work is massive.

What are you currently reading? If I can finish 2 of the first 3 I plan on putting Kik in the hopper. I have been doing a little part time background on his theology (I was actually saved in a Presbyterian church and discipled by the assistant pastor), it looks more interesting than most of that persuasion.

37 posted on 01/22/2011 9:39:59 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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