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What is an LDS Church /Mormon temple marriage/sealing?
Recovery from Mormonism (RfM) discussion forum. ^ | February 3, 2011 | Anon.

Posted on 02/03/2011 9:29:57 AM PST by greyfoxx39

This is a review of the temple sealing including some background and scriptural references on where the basis for it comes from. There are web sites with more information.

After passing two interviews to get the temple recommend--
(see Temple Recommend Questions here: http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/recommend.shtml,)

then going through the Endowment Ceremony either on the day of the marriage, or earlier,

Washing and Anointing ceremony (only done once for yourself) where the Holy Garment of the Priesthood (notice ladies, you wear the same garment of the Holy Priesthood!), is placed on you and covenanting to obey:

The Law of Obedience
The Law of Sacrifice
The Law of the Gospel
The Law of Chastity
The Law of Consecration --which is:(I am only including this particular one on this post as it has it directly applies to the marriage covenant.)
Info on: Garments, each covenant here: http://www.lds4u.com/lesson5/templecovenants.htm

then, and only then may you be married/sealed in the temple.


This is the Law of Consecration that proceeds the Marriage/wedding/sealing.


Officiator:
A couple will now come to the altar. We are instructed to give unto you the Law of Consecration as contained in the book of Doctrine and Covenants, in connection with the Law of the Gospel and the Law of Sacrifice which you have already received.

It is that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

All arise. Each of you bring your right arm to the square.
You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Each of you bow your head and say "yes."


Then and only then, after completing the entire Endowment Ceremony, making all of the Covenants, you may be sealed in the marriage ceremony.

Here is the ceremony.

Sometimes, the officiator will allow an exchange of rings at the end of the ceremony, and a kiss.
(I don't know the current policy on this practice. Maybe someone else does.)

Officiator: Brother ______, [naming groom] and Sister ______, [naming bride] please join hands in the Patriarchal Grip or Sure Sign of the Nail.

Marriage Couple:
Joins hands in the "Patriarchal Grip, or Sure Sign of the Nail."This token is given by clasping the right hands, interlocking the little fingers and placing the tip of the forefinger upon the center of the wrist. No clothing should interfere with the contact of the forefinger upon the wrist.

Officiator: Brother ______, do you take Sister ______ by the right hand and receive her unto yourself to be your lawful and wedded wife for time and all eternity, with a covenant and promise that you will observe and keep all the laws, rites, and ordinances pertaining to this Holy Order of Matrimony in the New and Everlasting Covenant, and this you do in the presence of God, angels, and these witnesses of your own free will and choice?

Groom: Yes.

Officiator: Sister ______ do you take brother ______ by the right hand and give yourself to him to be his lawful and wedded wife, and for him to be your lawful and wedded husband, for time and all eternity, with a covenant and promise that you will observe and keep all the laws, rites and ordinances pertaining to this Holy Order of Matrimony in the New and Everlasting Covenant, and this you do in the presence of God, angels, and these witnesses of your own free will and choice?

Bride: Yes.

Officiator:
By virtue of the Holy Priesthood and the authority vested in me, I pronounce you ______, and ______, legally and lawfully husband and wife for time and all eternity, and I seal upon you the blessings of the holy resurrection with power to come forth in the morning of the first resurrection clothed in glory, immortality and eternal lives, and I seal upon you the blessings of kingdoms, thrones, principalities, powers, dominions and exaltations, with all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and say unto you: be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth that you may have joy and rejoicing in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

All these blessings, together with all the blessings appertaining unto the New and Everlasting Covenant, I seal upon you by virtue of the Holy Priesthood, through your faithfulness, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.

To make sure one understands exactly what the "New and Everlasting Covenant" is, see: D&C 132. In the temple it is just called the New and Everlasting Covenant, the words: Plurality of Wives is omitted.

To understand the background for the temple marriage/sealing ceremony:

REFERENCE for easy reading: http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501—507.
Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

[INSERT: compare introduction to the 1969 edition of the Book of Mormon]

Here's the 1969 version:

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives.

-------The Prophet’s inquiry of the Lord--He is told to prepare himself to receive the new and everlasting covenant--Conditions of this law--The power of the Holy Priesthood instituted by the Lord must be operative in ordinances to be in effect beyond the grave--
Marriage by secular authority is of effect during mortality only--Though the form of marriage should make it appear to be for time and eternity, the ordinance is not valid beyond the grave unless solemnized by the authority of the Holy Priesthood as the Lord directs--
Marriage duly authorized for time and eternity to be attended by surpassing blessings--E
ssentials for the attainment of the status of godhood -- The meaning of eternal lives--Plurality of wives acceptable only when commanded by the Lord--The sin of adultery--Commandment to Emma Smith, wife of the prophet.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132
1981 edition:
1—6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant;
7—14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth;
15—20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods;
21—25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives;
26—27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost;
28—39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages;
40—47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven;
48—50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation;
51—57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true;
58—66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

Did you catch it? Celestial Marriage is Plurality of Wives! The Mormon Church has never, ever stopped practicing their law that applies to polygamy or plurality of wives as that is what Celestial Marriage (The New and Everlasting Covenant) is!

Did you notice that the marriage sealing ceremony not only continues the practice of polygamy, and, because of the covenant of the Law of Consecration, married you to the church and it's commandments by covenant, not each other?

Investigators BEWARE:
Demand full disclosure for informed consent. You won't get it from the Mormon Church, so do your own research.

Know what you are doing, and what it really means!

I doubt most LDS couples recognize and understand that they married in to plurality of wives when they were sealed in the temple.

The actual sealing ceremony takes place in a sealing room off of the Celestial Room in the temple. Attendees must have a valid temple recommend and be invited. They may dress in white or in Sunday Best.

This is how it is done in the US. In England, for instance, the marriage part is performed in a chapel (or elsewhere) by a presiding authority (usually a bishop) with an official government recorder of some sort in attendance. Attendees are invited, no temple recommend required.

The sealing ceremony is performed in the temple at a later time either that day or another day.



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Explanation of the "Law of Obedience" and the "Law of Sacrifice" can be found:

HERE

The "Law of the Gospel" may be found

HERE

The "Law of Chastity" may be found

HERE

A fuller explanation of the "endowment" can be found here:

The LDS Endowment

A fuller explanation of the "washing and anointing" can be found here:

The Initiatory

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1 posted on 02/03/2011 9:29:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
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2 posted on 02/03/2011 9:32:13 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


3 posted on 02/03/2011 9:34:09 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: dragonblustar
So these underage young women were raped in the temple to seal the (flds) marriage?
4 posted on 02/03/2011 9:42:36 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: dragonblustar
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5 posted on 02/03/2011 9:42:56 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: greyfoxx39

What is that hanging on the door handle? It looks like a whip.


6 posted on 02/03/2011 9:43:26 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: greyfoxx39

IB4PD


7 posted on 02/03/2011 9:47:55 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: svcw

That’s what I’ve been reading.


8 posted on 02/03/2011 9:51:30 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: greyfoxx39

Based on Romney’s age, what do you suppose the temple ceremonies were like when he went through them?


9 posted on 02/03/2011 9:51:30 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

IB4PD2


10 posted on 02/03/2011 9:52:44 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: greyfoxx39

From the temple recommend interviewing instructions:

When interviewing an applicant for a recommend, do not inquire into personal, intimate matters about marital relations between a husband and his wife.
Generally, do not deviate from the recommend interview questions.

If, during an interview, an applicant asks about the propriety of specific conduct, do not pursue the matter. Merely suggest that if the applicant has enough anxiety about the propriety of the conduct to ask about it, the best course would be to discontinue it.

If you are sensitive and wise, you usually can prevent those being interviewed from asking such explicit questions.


11 posted on 02/03/2011 9:55:13 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: dragonblustar

From the temple recommend intereview, one of the questions:

13. Has there been any sin or misdeed in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but has not?

Note: NOT resolved with God. NOT confessed to Him through the intercession of Jesus. NOT repented of and forgiven through His grace.


12 posted on 02/03/2011 10:00:37 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: dragonblustar

I hope that’s not what heaven looks like. I’m more of a clean-lined contemporary sort of gal. And I like lots of light pouring through windows.


13 posted on 02/03/2011 10:03:08 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Alex Murphy

IB4PD3


14 posted on 02/03/2011 10:07:44 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw
What is that hanging on the door handle? It looks like a whip.

I think hose...can't imagine why, though.

15 posted on 02/03/2011 10:13:24 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: Tennessee Nana

IB4PDSpam4


16 posted on 02/03/2011 10:13:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Hose, of course. Thank makes sense, they are bathing after all.


17 posted on 02/03/2011 10:16:14 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: svcw; greyfoxx39

Kinky stuff going on...


18 posted on 02/03/2011 10:20:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
Celestial marriage [aka polygamy] is required for salvation according to mormon doctrine.

Here we have quote from an “apostle of the lord”, but we’ll be told it’s only “his opinion” since it’s in the JOD and those are “supposedly supposed to be ignored”, but it’s valuable insight into what the leaders of the mormon church believe and teach, regardless of whether the mormons want to claim it as “doctrine”. But wait, don’t mormon apostles represent and speak on behalf of the mormon church? Don’t they use the JOD’s as references in their General Conference talks to the faithful?

Now, before anyone argues that the JoD are to be discounted as just the “opinions of men”, read this…

"The Journal of Discourses is a vehicle of doctrine, counsel, and instruction to ALL people, but especially to the Saints. It follows then, then, [sic] that each successive volume is more and more valuable as the Church increases in numbers and importance in the earth." Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. iii (1867) " — Brigham Young

Hmmm, this just keeps getting more complicated, anyway onward and upward;

LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, Oct. 4, 1857:

" Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands?... Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? "What!—my husband to be my lord?" I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant. “(Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291)

Without that "ordinance", nope, no way, it ain't gonna happen.

Uhm, wait, are you sure???

”But what of the many mature members of the Church who are not married? Through no failing of their own, they deal with the trials of life alone. Be we all reminded that, in the Lord’s own way and time, no blessings will be withheld from His faithful Saints. The Lord will judge and reward each individual according to heartfelt desire as well as deed.

So, a "heartfelt desire" can get one in as well? I wonder just how many ways there are besides the "straight and narrow"?

Celestial marriage

Ahh, I guess I spoke too soon, here’s another way;

After both of you die, and your errant spouse gets necrobaptized, your “mormon relatives” [if you have any] can seal you to him by “proxy”. Then your errant spouse will have “the chance” in the period between death and resurrection to accept or reject the ordinances. [Hmm, so if I’m in the spirit prison and a spirit missionary comes down and says, “hey, we baptized you, endowed you and sealed you to your wife. Do you accept or reject?” What do you think I’m going to do?]

Either way, if you've been faithful, you will have been sealed and will be able to receive the lowest degree of celestial glory. Huh? So now we have “degrees of glory” within the celestial kingdom. What are the three degrees of glory in the celestial kingdom? Oh my. My head is starting to hurt from trying to keep all of this straight. I thought the “straight and narrow” was just that.

But here’s something that I find quite conflicting.

All children sealed to parents in the holy temples will inherit the celestial kingdom regardless to their degree of compliance with the principles of the gospel.

As reported by Elder Orson F. Whitney—

The Prophet Joseph Smith declared-and he never taught more comforting doctrine-that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.” (Elder Orson F. Whitney, Conference Report, April 1929, Third Day Morning Meeting, p.110).

Really? A child born to endowed, sealed parents, regardless of their degree of compliance with the principles of the gospel is GUARANTEED the celestial kingdom. Just wow! How "convenient" is that?

There is no surety in mormonism as it relates to personal exaltation. Keyword there is "personal". In mormonism, it's about working things for PERSONAL glory, not God's glory. You are working to ensure your “personal” exaltation, which is supposed to bring glory to God, but I don’t see how that works if what you’re doing is essentially “banking” ordinances and works to get the balance sheet in your favor.

If you don't join, but are otherwise a good Christian or person, who did good but did not accept Mormonism, terrestrial kingdom for you.

This is in no way the "heaven" that Christians think of. God and Jesus do not dwell in this "kingdom". Folks in this "kingdom" are separated from God and Jesus. Many members of the mormon church, who were not as dedicated as they could have been, will also go the terrestial.

The rest; sons of perdition, apostates, evil doers, etc., get the telestial "kingdom".

Or, as in my case, since I've renounced mormonism and am considered an apostate of the worst kind, I get to look forward to OUTER DARKNESS! It doesn't matter that I've joined a Christian church, study the Bible, etc. All that matters is I've turned my back on mormonism.

But you know what the Bible says about all of this?

Simply this; Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in HEAVEN.

So all of those “requirements” the mormons want you to meet in order to attain the celestial kingdom and to be able to dwell with God are superfluous. God has already said you will not be married in heaven. What's so hard to understand about God's Word?

Seriously, did Constantine and the evil ne’er do wells of the Council of Nicea remove all of that confusing mormon stuff and replace it with something so simple to trick us? That’s what the mormons claim and want us to believe. This is supposed to be some of that "restoration of the fullness of the gospel" mormons claim.

They want you to believe that you "must" be married in the temple in order to gain exaltation [aka; salvation] and the bonus is you get to dwell with God and Jesus. The two are inseparable and for those mormons who don't make it, tough.

19 posted on 02/03/2011 10:35:10 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian
Seriously, did Constantine and the evil ne’er do wells of the Council of Nicea remove all of that confusing mormon stuff and replace it with something so simple to trick us? That’s what the mormons claim and want us to believe.

Just wow.

20 posted on 02/03/2011 10:44:38 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: SZonian
Excellent post, SZ!

false prophets

21 posted on 02/03/2011 10:53:23 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


22 posted on 02/03/2011 10:57:36 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: T Minus Four
Based on Romney’s age, what do you suppose the temple ceremonies were like when he went through them?

Well, Mitt went on his mission in 1966 according to US News...pre 1969.

Link

23 posted on 02/03/2011 11:04:39 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney was a leader in the Mormon church while living in Belmont, Mass. He was bishop of the Cambridge congregation, then bishop of Belmont, and in 1986 became president of the Boston-area "stake," similar to a diocese
24 posted on 02/03/2011 11:10:50 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Paragon Defender

Tell us about your PERFECTION PD.

25 posted on 02/03/2011 11:26:42 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender

Click on da kitteh.

26 posted on 02/03/2011 11:43:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: Godzilla
Great irony in all of this.

In the temple “worthiness” questions there is one about being honest in your dealings with your “fellowmen”.

If they followed their own rules there is essentially no such thing as a “temple worthy” Mormon...

27 posted on 02/03/2011 11:44:27 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender
"They post regurgitated propaganda..."

"The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material.",

"After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said..."

"They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice."

"...as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.",

"Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons."

"So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so."

"It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much."

"Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here."

"They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that."

Ten lies...

28 posted on 02/03/2011 11:58:22 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian

All children sealed to parents in the holy temples will inherit the celestial kingdom regardless to their degree of compliance with the principles of the gospel.

As reported by Elder Orson F. Whitney—

“The Prophet Joseph Smith declared-and he never taught more comforting doctrine-that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.” (Elder Orson F. Whitney, Conference Report, April 1929, Third Day Morning Meeting, p.110).
_________________________________________________

This is how we got our very first Mormon president...

and he’s black ...

Dont it just make ya wanna cry with joy ???

Like Romney is doing ???

Ya see Stan An Durham was dead dunked into Mormonism in June 2008...

with all the “endowments” and a temple recommend...

And then she was “sealed” to her children...

Making them “temple” Mormons too...

and so then in November 2008 a TBM Mormon became president...

Dont all shout at me...

It must be twoo...Bro Joe said so...


29 posted on 02/03/2011 12:01:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Dont all shout at me...

hear the words

30 posted on 02/03/2011 1:15:35 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: T Minus Four
 

If, during an interview, an applicant asks about the propriety of specific conduct, do not pursue the matter. Merely suggest that if the applicant has enough anxiety about the propriety of the conduct to ask about it, the best course would be to discontinue it. 

Don't ask: don't tell...
 
 


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.



prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."


- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

 

 

 

 

 


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82
 

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

 


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

 


31 posted on 02/03/2011 1:17:55 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

NMTA


32 posted on 02/03/2011 1:19:20 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

A pig might show up!


33 posted on 02/03/2011 1:19:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
 "I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment--until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors." (from What is Man?)

-- Mark Twain

 


34 posted on 02/03/2011 1:21:12 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
If they followed their own rules there is essentially no such thing as a “temple worthy” Mormon...

Uh; the last part of the sentence got clipped:

...that post on FreeFRepublic.

35 posted on 02/03/2011 1:22:43 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
What is an LDS Church /Mormon temple marriage/sealing?

A big scam designed to CONTROL people!

36 posted on 02/03/2011 1:24:54 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Investigators BEWARE:

Demand full disclosure for informed consent. You won't get it from the Mormon Church, so do your own research.

Oh POO!

PD posts links ALL THE TIME!

If you don't have 'truth', it isn't HIS fault!

--Molly Mormon(Gotta go and bake some muffins.)

37 posted on 02/03/2011 1:28:26 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
 
Did you notice that the marriage sealing ceremony not only continues the practice of polygamy, and, because of the covenant of the Law of Consecration, married you to the church and it's commandments by covenant, not each other?
 
 
 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.

38 posted on 02/03/2011 1:31:39 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dragonblustar

But they take Joseph Smith’s wild claims as superior to Jesus.

Incredible.


39 posted on 02/03/2011 2:03:22 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: greyfoxx39

Amazing....I checked my Tanakh (old testament) and it doesnt have the name Jesus in it! It also mentioned false prophets and says those who speak presumptuosly in G-ds name will be killed!


40 posted on 02/03/2011 2:18:47 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Elsie
There would be NONE that I know of on freerepublic.

Except perhaps the rare few that have never commented on a LDS thread...

But then they would have to have never been a missionary either.

Never said publicly that the BOM is true etc.

In fact never mentioned anything about their faith and kept it personally to themselves.

Indeed I fail to see how there are any temple worthy Mormons, for they are lying to themselves as well...

41 posted on 02/03/2011 2:23:34 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SZonian

Ten lies...


One lie


42 posted on 02/03/2011 2:42:52 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; SZonian

Come PD tell us, did you go to the link and search with an open heart and then pray about it?


43 posted on 02/03/2011 3:01:21 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Paragon Defender
"One lie"

Yes, a big one perpetrated by many small ones...

LdS

44 posted on 02/03/2011 3:05:03 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: svcw; Paragon Defender; Godzilla
Remember, it's an "anti" site, mormons are admonished not to tarry...

"But if you're a Mormon, it's time to prayerfully re-examine your beliefs. Do you know you have everlasting life? No. Can you obey all the commandments perfectly and earn a place in heaven? You can't.

Loren Franck, return LdS missionary, ex-mormon

45 posted on 02/03/2011 3:11:10 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian

lol what’s next I am rubber and you are glue?

I have never lied on these boards. So sad that you are deceived about this.


46 posted on 02/03/2011 3:49:18 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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A lie. Place marker. Joseph Smith Talisman Pictures, Images and Photos
47 posted on 02/03/2011 4:30:45 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: svcw

Another lie. place marker
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Celestial_marriage


48 posted on 02/03/2011 4:33:53 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Paragon Defender

It must get frustrating...so I understand the attempts to project, demean and mock. There is no other recourse to the truth when one has empty hands.

I was deceived by mormonism, but no longer.

I am free of the deceit of mormonism, free of the manipulation by men who are purveyors of deceit.

Who sit in an ivory tower in SLC and and pretend, as false prophets, to pass judgement upon men.

I am free in Christ Jesus.


49 posted on 02/03/2011 5:10:52 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian; Paragon Defender; Elsie
"So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so."

This one violates some pretense of actually 100% knowing the internal motive of other posters ("axe to grind"); this violates 1 Sam. 16:7, which says ONLY God knows the heart of inviduals...for man looks at the externals.

PD raises it as conjecture; never postulates it as an actual question; and is guilty of judgmental presumptionism...no wonder Elsie posts that Magic 8-ball in regard to Mormons!

"They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that."

This statement of PD's does the exact same thing: PD presumes he knows our internal "wants" and "desires." More mind-reading, which is supposed to be against forum rules, but now that PD's canned spam has littered this forum to the degree it has, what can you do besides remind PD that he will be held accountable for these sins at a future judgment...still I wonder if these might just wind up being the least of his eventual problems standing before God.

"Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons."

(Oh, yeah, we forgot that Mormons have a 100% monopoly on being special testimony-bearers based upon their special exclusive priesthood status...More Mormon snobbery, arrogance, and elitism...but hey, at least what PD says opens him up to specific critiques...Try reversing that -- and get SPECIFICS re: THIS-POSTER-DID-EXACTLY-THAT critiques from PD -- and it's like pulling a Salamander out of the secret LDS vaults in the mountains near SLC!)

The most repetitive prob which PD has pops up in EACH of these first five outlined by Szonian: "They post regurgitated propaganda..." "The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material.", "After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said..." "They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice." "...as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.",

What PD gets away with here, week in & week out, are vague, generic outbursts of slander that he shotguns at most everybody he takes issue with.

It doesn't matter even were he to present his "best case accusations" on some of these matters -- because it might only apply to a few or a handful. It doesn't seemingly matter.

If PD can stereotype a large # of people with a broad brush...
If he can play the accuser minus specific evidence...
Then can play "victory" as the Great FR Accuser!

PD, I compare this apparent "defense attorney" strategy to one where all you seemingly have to do is to try to enter just ONE SINGLE doubt in the eyes of the world jury that perhaps Joseph Smith wasn't a fraud. Is that your game?

Are you simply realizing that thousands of Mormons out there have started spiritual foreclosure procedures against Smith and the Mormon church...and you are simply trying to stall them long enough for another Mormon to pull them back on to the temple ritual & Mormon calling & genealogical slave ship?

The bottom-line common problem id'd by Szonian re: those first five PD spam posts is simply this:

No parent would discipline a child without telling them what it was for. That constitutes emotional abuse. Imagine Johnny or Sue getting punished by dad for some "vague generic" matter that nobody can pinpoint -- and in fact, "Dad" punishes the kid without even confronting the kid personally. Who knows who -- if anybody -- actually did anything?...Evidence is ne'er presented.

PD comes across as this "DAD" who just "figured" "somebody" was guilty & therefore he lambbasts all or most -- but no kid knows what "lesson" he's supposed to "learn" because the punishment is meted out so generically.

If PD treats anybody under his authority the way he treats us, then we all better start praying for that person or persons!!!

50 posted on 02/03/2011 5:18:38 PM PST by Colofornian
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