Posted on 02/07/2011 8:45:48 AM PST by verdugo
“Glad I didn’t go to ‘the Church’ for my salvation”
That’s what I was thinking. Jesus promised me salvation, not the church. But I guess I can’t blame them for believing non Catholics won’t go to heaven since many Catholics don’t believe Catholics will go to heaven either.
Who, then, can be saved?-- concluding paragraph (formatting mine), from the thread Who Can Be Saved?,by Cardinal Avery Dulles, found at Catholic Education Resource CenterCatholics can be saved if they believe the Word of God as taught by the Church and if they obey the commandments.
Other Christians can be saved if they submit their lives to Christ and join the community where they think he wills to be found.
Jews can be saved if they look forward in hope to the Messiah and try to ascertain whether God’s promise has been fulfilled.
Adherents of other religions can be saved if, with the help of grace, they sincerely seek God and strive to do his will.
Even atheists can be saved if they worship God under some other name and place their lives at the service of truth and justice.God’s saving grace, channeled through Christ the one Mediator, leaves no one unassisted. But that same grace brings obligations to all who receive it. They must not receive the grace of God in vain. Much will be demanded of those to whom much is given.
So which is it?
Is it because the Church is too lax or stringent?
Seems Protestants can’t agree on what the Church actually teaches...
This group is is schism with the Catholic church and does not have authority to speak for the Catholic Church. They originally broke away with Father Feeney
I believe the site is from Schismatics who are either ultra trads or sedevacanists or perhaps both. So they’re opinion is not supported by the official teaching of the Catholic Church.
"He entered as a postulant for the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in May of 1993, and went on to the novitiate on Christmas of that year. He made profession of vows on Epiphany of 1996.
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary........
"Our Crusade was begun by Father Leonard Feeney, who strove to combat the liberalizing of Catholic dogma which he saw as a major impediment to the conversion of America."
Wading through catholic law,, reminds me of needing to memorize and adhere to the US tax code. Funny how Jesus himself made it rather simple.
I believe in one catholic and apostolic church.
That’s catholic with a small “c”.
So it may be correct to say that there is no salvation outside of the one catholic and apostolic church. You just don’t have to be a member of the Roman branch of it.
What I posted is Catholic doctrine, not my own invention. I didn't make this a Catholic Caucus, because, obviously, it affects all non-Catholics, HOWEVER, the details of the doctrine is really for Catholics only.
Be assured that it is unchangeable Catholic doctrine, and is posted for your salvation. If you don't believe the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who is God, then why get all upset and unraveled by the article? I certainly don't loose one minute of sleep over what any YOPIOS or any other religion has to say about anything, as far as a Catholic is concerned, they are just one of gazillion opinions out there on the road to perdition.
If any non-Catholic has any sincere questions about the matter, I will answer them, but, know that this tread is really intended for Catholics.
God Bless,
So why not go to some Roman Catholic forum and discuss it with you fellow Roman Catholics. Why clog up this one?
I have some questions:
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
To be fair, a great many Catholics can’t decide what the Catholic church teaches. This thread is evidence of that.
Now, if you want to talk about the shenanigans among us Lutherans, grab a beer and sit down. It will take a while!
” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that -> whoever believes in Him <- shall not perish but -> have eternal life. <- “ - Jesus Christ
Apparently, Jesus Christ says something quite different than the doctrinal position you espouse here.
Let me consider this carefully... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
OK, I’m going with the plain, clear, truthful words of the Savior over man-made doctrines that contradict His words!
If you have sincere questions about Christ’s words, I will answer them.
:-) Best
ampu
The group, The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, is recognized by their local bishop in NH, and the Pope in Rome.
From: http://catholicism.org/new-mass-schedule-at-ihm-chapel-in-richmond.html
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary All Masses are in the traditional Roman Rite (Extraordinary Form) and are offered with the approbation of the Ordinary of the Diocese of Manchester, N.H. Our Mass schedule is as follows —
Sunday Masses: 7:30 AM Low Mass, 9:30 AM High Mass (with Rosary preceding at 9:00).
Daily Mass: 7:30 AM Low Mass.
strider44,
a-j are written to JEWS. Not applicable to Christians. A better question is, “do they still apply to Jews.” Perhaps you should ask a Jew. They can speak very well for themselves.
ampu
"H"er is the Church... the Bride of Christ.
So your purpose here is to proselytize?
"As Catholics live among those who are of false religions, and often have the most intimate connections with them, they naturally and laudable contract a love and affection for them. This makes them at first unwillingly to think that their friends are out of the way of salvation, then they proceed to wish and hope that they may be saved, then they call into question that that is so. In this, they grab at every pretext to persuade themselves that their friends can be saved in their own religion. It has become the fashion to think and believe that an uncovenanted mercy is to be found in God for Jews, Mohamedans, and those of false religions. Fashion is a powerful persuasive against which even good people are not always immune. When a Catholic hears these liberal sentiments every day resounding in his ears, and anything that seems contrary to them, ridiculed and condemned. He eventually yields to the delusion. The real reason that Catholics adopt this loose way of thinking, is that they are ignorant of the grounds of their religion, they don't examine the matter thoroughly, and once they are infected by the spirit of the day, they become unwilling to examine any further. They even get angry if any zealous friend should attempt to undeceive them. Grasping at the false reasoning that favors this loose way of thinking, they refuse to open their mind to the truth".
- Orestes Brownson (1803-1876), Brownson's Quarterly Review ( American born, former New England Transcendentalist and colleague of Channing, Emerson, and Hawthorne. Published Brownson's Quarterly Review from his conversion to Catholicism in 1844, until within three years of his death.)
"Why God would allow these "ambiguities" to occur in Vatican II. (and other magisterial documents)?
Considering all that I have said thus far, especially concerning the ulterior motives of the liberal prelates and their virtual hijacking of Vatican II, I think Scripture has an answer as to why God would allow these "ambiguities" to occur. In short, there is an interesting working principle in Scripture. As a punishment for your sin, God will allow you to pursue, and be condemned by, what you sinfully desire. This is what I believe happened at Vatican II. The progressivist bishops and theologians sought for a way to push their heterodox ideas into the Church, so God allowed them to do so, as a witness and judgment against them. He would allow the Council to have its "ambiguities" so that those who would interpret them contrary to nineteen centuries of established Catholic dogma, would lead themselves into sin, and ultimately into God's judgment. Unfortunately, as is always the case, the sheep suffer for what the shepherds do wrong, and as a result, we have all been wandering in the spiritual desert of liberal theology for the past 40 years. (Article from Catholic Family News, Feb 2003, by Robert Sungenis)(1)
(1) In fact, the bad shepherds may be a chastisement for the sins of the sheep. Saint John Eudes, basing his words on Sacred Scripture, says that when God wants to punish his people, he sends them bad priests. See The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations, by Saint John Eudes, Chapter 2, "Qualities of a Holy Priest". (New York: P.J. Kenedy and Sons, 1947).
Vatican II is a punishment from God. It is a snare, a siren song to RUN AWAY FROM! Do not seek any answers about the Faith from Vatican II or any theologian that refers to it.
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