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God also loves us by scourging us, which, in the original language, means stripping the skin off your back with a whip. And he often doesn't seem "loving" while he's doing this. Severe, but necessary for our perfection.

And, yes - this is love.

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Not arguments on that score. Actually, I wasn’t disageeing with your original point so much as showing both sides.