Posted on 02/28/2011 8:18:05 AM PST by hope_dies_last
Is your own church being in agreement 62.5% of the time on these points the impression you wish to convey? I suspect not.
hmmm..... that's pretty straight words from the slick legalists that are the OPC
If by your round-about way you mean the CAtholic Church, then see my next post
Are you under the impression that Uriel2012 is Jewish?
And again, where does your own church stand regarding the modern state of Israel, Cronos?
I’m not certain what impression is being made here, other than one of more agreement than disagreement, between your church and that which you appear to hold in contempt.
from the Catechism:
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People.
When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God."
The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."
This is quite in contrast to Dr. Eckleburg's Orthodo Presbyterian Cult that believes that this sonship has been revoked.
Oh, now. Dispense with the legalism. What church is “of” Rome? I suspect you know the answer.
And yet you haven’t answered the question.
Do Roman Catholics believe we are living in the New Covenant proclaimed by Christ risen from the cross?
i’m under the impression he’s wise enough to see the falseness of OPC doctrine. Which considering most people except for 20,000 fools can see it, is quite probably.
Proof:
Do you think Uriel2012 is Jewish? Your posts certainly leave that impression.
A simple yes or no would be great. Is that possible from you?
John Calvin, "Commentary on the Book of the Prophet Isaiah," Calvin's Commentaries, vol. 8, 269.
"When the Gentiles shall come in, the Jews also shall return from their defection to the obedience of faith; and thus shall be completed the salvation, . . . which must be gathered from both; and yet in such a way that the Jews shall obtain the first place, being as it were the first born in God's family, as Jews are the first born, what the prophet declares must be fulfilled, especially in them; . . . it is to be ascribed to the preeminence of that nation, who God had preferred to all other nations....God distinctly claims for Himself a certain seed, so that His redemption may be effectual in His elect and peculiar nation....God was not unmindful of the covenant which He had made with their fathers, and by which he testified that according to his eternal purpose He loved that nation; and this he confirms by this remarkable declaration, - that the grace of divine calling cannot be made void." "Epistle to the Romans," Calvin's Commentaries, vol. 19, 434-40. "Paul quotes this passage, (Rom. xi. 26,) in order to shew that there is still some remaining hope among the Jews; although from their unconquerable obstinacy it might be inferred that they were altogether cast off and doomed to eternal death. But because God is continually mindful of his covenant, and "his gifts and calling are without repentance," (Rom. xi. 29,) Paul justly concludes that it is impossible that there shall not at length be some remnant that come to Christ, and obtain that salvation which he has procured. Thus the Jews must at length be collected along with the Gentiles that out of both "there may be one fold" under Christ. (John x. 16). . . . Hence we have said that Paul infers that he [Christ] could not be the redeemer of the world, without belonging to some Jews, whose fathers he had chosen, and to whom this promise was directly addressed."
Amen.
Diplomatic words are very useful in avoiding the direct discussion of controversial matters, while not implying agreement where there is none.
All diplomacy and the whole "mystery" thing aside, which to me carries connotation of gnosticism, I'd say that this statement is rather freighted with unspoken assumptions that refute, rather than support, your contention.
Assumption here is that the Roman Catholic Church alone comprises the People of God under the New Covenant. Merely a "link" to the Jewish people. No mention of any Christian outside the RCC. Lurking the periphery is the tacit assumption that the New Covenant replaced the Old for all including the Jews, along with the promise of God to the descendants of Abraham. This is not new, the theology of replacement didn't just pop fully formed out of the mind of John Calvin de novo, Cronos. There were centuries of thought from the church from which he separated, and he did not reject all, just the unscriptural excesses of Rome, in his own way as did all the Reformers.
Would you like to delve into statements from Vatican officials regarding the modern state of Israel and the Palestinian people? One might get the sense that support for the Jewish people does not extend to the existence of that modern state.
Dunno — the Catholic Church is of Christ, along with the rest of the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church
Do they teach this at the cult meetings?
Why don't you admit the hatred spread during these cult-meetings (or as they are called, the "Hate feasts") -- the bit about the OPC telling Christians not to celebrate Jewish festivals is just the start of the hatred against Jews, Catholics, Orthodox, lutherans, Pentecostals, Methodists etc. that the OPC spreads.
Jean Calvin: "I have had much conversation with many Jews: I have never seen either a drop of piety or a grain of truth or ingenuousness—nay, I have never found common sense in any J##."Seems like Calvin was a hypocrite (but that's well known) -- note his words...
Lange van Ravenswaay, J. Marius J. (2009), "Calvin and the Jews", in Selderhuis, Herman J., The Calvin Handbook, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing C
And the OPC follows in his footsteps only worse.
Does the Roman Catholic church “celebrate Jewish festivals?”
The difference between Calvin and the RCC regarding the Jews is that Calvin worked to convert them to Christ while the RCC slaughtered them.
Your own church again is not pure as the driven snow in this regard, Cronos.
If I didn’t know better, I’d suspect all this to be merely projection.
The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
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