Posted on 02/28/2011 10:25:53 AM PST by Quix
Quix- I just read Jim Robinson needs our prayers I missed this on my alert. I am going to say prayers for him. Then go to bed. Good night.
Headed to bed myself.
Thx.
LUB.
There are, by my reading of the passage, two different groups being addressed. One was made up of those who physically new Christ while He was on Earth and the other group was made up of those who were Christians but had backslidden. In my view, that’s two different topics.
Anyway, let me ask you this. If God just winks at this “day to day” sin and says “It’s okay, you’ve believed so go do whatever you want”, then why even say that we need to repent of our sins after we’re saved? Why the passage stating that, if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father?
The implication is clear. You’re saved by Christ, but if there is unrepentant sin in your life, it stains your garment where you cannot enter into God’s presence, due to the fact that sin is not allowed in His sight. This doesn’t negate Christ’s sacrifice for us, but it does mean that we’re no longer allowed to just live any way we want.
I consider all the extra-Biblical writings to be opinion pieces about Scripture. While some are interesting to read and can be used to clarify a point, by no means do they qualify as authoritative enough to quote from for the final say.
I don’t care who wrote it and when. If it contradicts Scripture, it’s meaningless.
Ref, Jesse DUPlantis all in one video with hattip to BigSkyFreeper, thanks for link, glad to have it all in one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x75AyoztbMM
We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ if we are saved. I’m sure we ALL die with some sin unrepented of. If our salvation is based on our keeping current accounts, then I don’t see how anyone can be saved. And that does put it in the works category.
God called Lot *righteous Lot* hardly a term I’d use in describing him. How many people today would look at someone who did the things he did and consider him righteous, or saved.
Others had their share of sin and were still considered believers.
With the lengths God went to to save us and draw us, it’s inconceivable that He’d be so willing to send people to hell based on weakness or even unrepented of sin. I firmly believe that that sin will have to be answered for, but not with the forfeiting of salvation, but the loss of reward.
If someone does lead the kind of life Lot lived, however, I would question the validity of their profession.
The problem I have with these visit heaven/hell accounts is that the people recount seeing CHRISTIANS in hell because of their works. We are not saved by works. We do not stay saved by works. That is no license to go out and sin freely by any means, as that will bring it’s own consequences, but loss of salvation is not one unless one gets to the point of making a conscious decision to reject God.
1 Corinthians 3:12-14
12Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
WELL PUT, imho.
Listen, metmom, I honestly don’t think we’re as far apart on this as it may seem. The truth is that, while I agree with you that we’re saved by Grace, through Faith and not by works, I also know that there are serious issues with the idea that we have no role at all in living a holy life.
Before we’re saved, I’d agree whole-heartedly that you cannot live a holy life no matter how hard we try because of our sin nature, but after we’re saved and indwelt with the Holy Spirit and sin’s hold on us is broken, we’re given the ability to actually live the life we’re supposed to live. I’m not saying that we’re saved by our works, just that our works and our desire to remain sinless and holy before God are going to be natural outgrowths of the Spirit’s work in our life.
It’s part of the fruits of the Spirit that we’re going to want to emulate Christ, but because of that desire, and because of our fallen nature and the sins that come with that, there are going to be sins that must be repented of and until they are, we’re going to suffer the consequences of those sins. How many times is it said that God will not tolerate sin within His sight? If we die with unrepented sins, we cannot enter into God’s presence. It’s just that simple.
Why would you believe that God would ignore sin that hasn’t been repented of, when that very sin was reprehensible enough to Him that He sent Christ to die for us to remove it from His sight in the first place?
Let me put it another way. If God loved us as much as He says He does and hated sin so much that He sent Christ to die to remove that sin from our lives, what do you think is going to happen if we show up in front of His throne, wearing the robes that Christ’s death purchased for us, but those robes are filthy with unrepented sins?
You and I would be livid if someone thought no more of our sacrifice than that, but this is Yahweh we’re talking about here. His Holy nature is so far beyond our nature that He cannot even look at sin, but now we’ve dared to enter His throneroom, wearing the robes that His Son purchased with His own life, and they’re covered in sins. Do you honestly think that we’re going to look at Him and say “But we believed! We thought that, after we believed, you just ignored those new sins.”
We’re given a way to repent for a reason. I cannot accept that those who claim Christ but then continue to sin and die with without repenting of those sins are going to be allowed inside Heaven’s gates, much less into the throneroom itself.
Yes, this article and all such false prophecies are not biblically or logically consistent. Leave these false prophets behind, Quix
are you saying that we can lose our salvation. What rubbish. One you are saved, you are saved. If you backslide, that means you were never saved in the first place
What a slick rationalization.
Pick up a Bible and read it for yourself. Do you think we can lose our salvation due to works, when we never get it by anything other than faith?
I have observed Quix firsthand for five years and was a long-distance friend of his for two years before that and I will tell you:
Quix reads the Bible constantly. He also has it playing on an MP3 player in his living quarters almost continually 24/7/365. He carries a pocket-sized Bible in his shirt pocket everyday. EVERY day.
He has more Scripture memorized than anyone I have ever met.
He will answers questions on Scripture with no prior notice.
When it comes to Yahweh’s Holy Word, Quix is instant in season and out of season.
YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.
THANKS TONS for your kind words.
You have been a great support.
We both know that none are so blind as those who WILL NOT see.
If you don’t believe you can lose your salvation, then why the need to repent from sin after you believe?
Or is that too hard of a question to ask?
Maybe you need to go back and reread it yourself.
It’s not by faith, but by Grace through Faith.
What you’re preaching is greasy grace and isn’t Biblical, or even logical.
Some Proddys seem to use as much rubberized pseudo ‘logic’ as the RC’s.
The truth of the matter is, most Protestant denominations are filled with just as many false teachings and traditions as the Roman Catholic Church.
This idea of OSAS is just one such example and, I believe, is rooted in focusing too much on one aspect of a believer’s life and not the other aspects. They’ve focused so much on determining who is or isn’t a Christian and how to tell, that they’ve lost the focus on how believers are to live out their faith in practice.
They focused on “Saved by Grace, through Faith”, which is good, but forgot that works come from that faith and are a hallmark of a healthy faith.
What’s that saying again, let me show you my faith by my works?
Jam 2:17-18 KJV - “[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
That’s pretty clear to me.
I thoroughly agree and have said similar things frequently over the years on FR.
You may not be aware of how much of a kick I got/get out of a certain type of group asking about my pockets and what’s in all of them . . . and my pulling a whole Bible out of one of my left breast pockets.
This time, one asked why I carried THAT! LOL.
Love it.
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