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Facts Seventh Day Adventists won't tell you
MacGregor Ministries ^ | 2001 | MacGregor

Posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if questioned. Watch out for these SDA outreaches as well: Voice of Prophecy, Faith for Today, It is Written, The Quiet Hour, Amazing Facts etc. They also hide behind Heath oriented shows on the networks, and sponsor stop-smoking clinics etc, all as introductions to Seventh-day Adventism.

They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them, but what do they really believe?

What facts won't they tell you?

They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that

"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).

That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won't say it out loud in public, or to your face.

They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism.

Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,

"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church".

If the candidate says "yes" and is baptised, they soon learn that the "gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know how exclusive it is, yet!

No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.

Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from Evangelical Christianity.


Doctrine on Christ

Seventh-day Adventists, in the early days, denied the Trinity, but now they accept it. However, they have "leftovers" from this heresy. Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".

Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!


Doctrines on Salvation

If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA's, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement,

"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".

Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes.

Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday.

The rest of us "Sunday keepers" are doomed to receive the "mark of the beast" and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505). They sure don't say this at their seminars!

Christ exclaimed "It is finished" when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism! EGW wrote in "The Faith I Live By" p. 211,

"At the time appointed for the judgement - the close of the 2300 days, in 1844&endash;began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins...both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works". (Rev. 20:12".

People are never told at Seminars that if they become SDA's and are baptized, a recording angel is watching their every move to determine their salvation eventually. EGW issues this warning in The Faith I Live By, page 210,

"Every man's work passes in review before God...Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel."

It's not much fun being an Adventist and being watched constantly by that recording angel with his "terrible exactness". Prepare to become very uptight.

Christians will say, "sure we slip sometimes into unintentional sin, but we have a mediator in Christ Jesus". No, you don't in Seventh-day Adventism. Be prepared for this SDA doctrine by Ellen G. White:

"...Those who are living on the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil....". (The Great Controversy p. 425).

Obviously they have chosen EGW's doctrine over that stated in the Bible in Hebrews 7:25,

"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them".

Where would we all be without Christ as our mediator, EVER making intercession for us?

Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree...". Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote,

"...so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate...".(The Great Controversy p. 485).

You won't hear this one at the Seminars! They keep their radical teachings for later.


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KEYWORDS: adventist; cult; flamebait; flamewar; religiousbigotry; religiousintolerance
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To: RBIEL2

The acceptance of women has been a cause for spiritual decline?

Whoa... That’s some really “out there” stuff.


61 posted on 03/04/2011 7:28:03 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: mad_as_he$$

So what if some people spread lies about us on the internet? None of it is true


62 posted on 03/04/2011 10:03:40 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher

I’ve been nice to you, but your rather droll.
Your too used to people being combative with you.
I had been enjoying our too and fro. Goodday.


63 posted on 03/05/2011 1:11:35 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

You are an idiot.


64 posted on 03/05/2011 7:18:20 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Hardly. If you want to know God, come to a real Bible believing church — www.opc.org


65 posted on 03/05/2011 9:05:11 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
The only being that will decide WHO has the “right” church is God. I have known many people of your religion as well as hundreds of SDA, Mormons, JW’s, Baptists. They all are just trying to do the right thing - with the exception of jerks like you. When I was a kid there was THREE Presb churches in a town of 3,000. They all hated the ones that attended the other church - which ever one that was. Religious bigotry even from the same denomination. What a joke. Rather than bashing other’s religion why don't you try “selling” yours.

The SDA church runs hospitals that heal thousands, they run a top shelf medical and dental school. They are often the first to deliver relief to areas such as Haiti. That is good enough for me.

Oh and typical religious bigotry, to assume on your part, that I do not know God. Judge not lest ye be judged. I will gladly laugh my a$$ off all the to the gates of hell with you and your ilk infront of me because as it turns out God is a Mormon.

66 posted on 03/05/2011 3:00:45 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: The Watcher

“I just really dislike people” — that is apparent. Isn’t Ellen White one of your prophetesses? In fact the only modern prophet for the seventh day adventists?


67 posted on 03/05/2011 9:34:10 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher

And the Adventists teach the false belief in being saved by works not faith alone.


68 posted on 03/05/2011 9:36:39 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: mad_as_he$$

‘your religion’ and ‘THREE Presb churches’. Do not presume to believe that the PCUSA and those liberal mainstream denominations are truly Presbyterian. In fact they are just like Catholics or Adventists or Pentecostals, practically pagans. To see more of what a real Bible believing church believes in go to www.opc.org


69 posted on 03/05/2011 9:39:43 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Your political campaign of hatred has pretty much proved you are NO man of God.


70 posted on 03/06/2011 1:45:52 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

what hatred? I am just telling the truth. Tell me, why do Adventists believe that Christians who worship on Sundays ‘bear the mark of Satan’ and are going to hell? Tell me, why do Adventists believe that the angel Michael is Jesus? Tell me, why do adventists believe in a works based religion and not salvation by faith alone?


71 posted on 03/06/2011 9:50:13 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Let’s just say you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Seriously that stuff is so goofy and absurd, I have no idea where you got it, or who made it up, but whatever the source, if you want to know what Adventists believe, ask them. If you want to know what Mormons believe, ask them. If you want to know what anyone believes, ask them.

Going around broadcasting detrimental stuff about other people.... Especially when it’s false or patently absurd... Cannot be interpreted as anything but a campaign of hate. So, get over yourself, start worrying about what truth is, and pursuing it for yourself. That’s sufficient a challenge to keep you occupied for a lifetime.


72 posted on 03/06/2011 10:25:46 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: count-your-change; JNRoberts; Thane_Banquo
Is this true about Adventists? I've learnt not to trust an OPC diatribe.
73 posted on 04/28/2011 7:20:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos

Why would I care what a couple of keyboard warriors from Canada say about anything? Want to know something about the Adventist, go ask them, hit their web sites, etc.

“MacGreor Ministries”? What in the world is that?


74 posted on 04/28/2011 8:29:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Who is the so-called “MacGregor Ministries”?


75 posted on 04/28/2011 8:37:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cronos
Is this true about Adventists? I've learnt not to trust an OPC diatribe.

I was raised an SDA from birth until Jesus saved me from that hell of a prison. Yes, all of these are totally correct. SDAs are taught to hide these from other Christians. SDAs don't like to tell other Christians about these beliefs because they want to be accepted by evangelicals. They want to be accepted because their false prophetess, Ellen White, said that their focus should be on getting other Christians to accept their beliefs, and that in the end times all truely honest Christians will join their sect.

Also, there are other things this article doesn't mention: 1) SDAs believe Satan is the scapegoat of the Day of Atonement, and that in the end Satan makes the final and complete atonement for sins by having our sins placed on him and then being thrown into the lake of fire to be destroyed.

2) SDAs do not believe in the Trinity. They are, like Mormon's, tri-theists. The Christian doctrine is that God is One Being existing eternally as a mutual-indwelling of three hypostasis (often translated as "persons," but not quite the same thing). The SDA "trinity" is Three Beings united in purpose so that they act as if they are one person. A good friend and fellow former SDA maintains a website--Cult or Christian?--that details how the SDA "trinity" differs from the Christian Trinity.

3) Following form #2, SDA's do not believe Jesus was God while on the earth. Ellen White once said Jesus was "not Lord God Almighty" while living on earth. This is horrible blasphemy.

There are many, many more things I could tell you, but time and space don't allow.

76 posted on 04/28/2011 9:05:54 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: 4mer Liberal

I just read this — I know it’s 9 years later, - could you list out the heresies that the SDA follows on your reading.


77 posted on 10/05/2020 1:12:51 AM PDT by Cronos (2001-2020)
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