I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) a bonafide Christian.
He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he is the Saviour of man put on this earth to pay for our sins.
That’s good enough for me.
Well put! I agree wholeheartedly!
Not so! He believes that Jesus Christ was A son of God... just like Lucifer for example. I believe that Jesus is the only Son of God, Beck believes that He is one of many. And this is just for starters, I don't want to move on to other non-Christan beliefs that Mormons hold. And FYI, I don't hate Mormons. I have witnessed to them at every chance I've got.
I thought the same for 20 years until a friend, who is Mormon, said something that was so far out of the ordinary I finally looked into LDS.
There is zero point in arguing we are the same, as I found out.
They don’t believe we are. In fact, their missionaries are well trained in the 3 doctrines they run into while on mission.
That is the Catholic, Protestant and Lutheran doctrines. LDS has a completely different doctrine, divorced from all others and distinctly different.
When you run into a well read and educated Mormon they can explain the difference in doctrine and why theirs is the only one.
They don’t believe you are a Christian. But rather, they are Christian and you worship in an apostate religion and as Joseph Smith and every single prophet of LDS has proclaimed Christians are “Apostates and Whores of Babylon”.
Doesn’t make them bad or me a good person. Just people who have a difference in doctrine. One who believes the Holy Bible is complete, accurate and sufficient, while the other believes the Bible to contain errors, a missing book and worships from to additional books which are considered holy in their faith.
Personally, I am not offended in their view, particularly since I have been reading diligently and learning about LDS for the last two years.
I can provided specifics if required but we can start with “The Pearl of Great Price”.
A friend was telling me the story of the Pearl of Great Price and I became confused, as the version he was telling me I had never heard.
I explained I had never heard that and the story of the Pearl of Great Price is familiar to most Christians as part of the three great parables, with the PoP explaining why works could never get you into heaven or make you more than what God sees us as.
This friend went ballistic and said there was no such thing and the story was unique to LDS scripture alone.
I tried to diffuse the situation saying “It may very well be in LDS scripture but any Christian would be familiar with Mathew 13”. With that I started to tell the three parables.
Guy went through the roof, at that point, and I said “Look may be I don’t understand this correctly. It’s not as if I am a theologian”.
Got him to agree we should change the subject and later I went to Mathew again and there it was plain as day; The Three Parables which are closed out by the “New Testament” version of the the Pearl of Great Price.
I couldn’t believe after all these of years of not even opening a Bible I had recalled, much less retained, the passage.
I have concluded LDS needs to co-opt, plagiarize and denigrate all of Christianity, otherwise why would there be a need for “The Restoration”.
Still, it’s even funnier being a Master Mason, seeing the same ceremonies, rites and rituals you find in Masonry as part of their worthiness program.
None of it’s an accident and they now want to claim they are Christian? After railing all of Christianity for 150 years?
Why?
So they can mainstream their religion while still calling us apostates and whores of Babylon?
No way, man.
ALL: Traderob has refuted himself. He claims some license he has to judge somebody else morally and/or doctrinally -- all while castigating that person for judging a group of people doctrinally.
Who issued the license of judgement to traderob? And why does traderob think he has the power to withhold somebody else from wielding public doctrinal discernment?
No, he does not believe in the Biblical Jesus, when he says Jesus he is talking about the lds jesus who is created.
No, he does not believe in the Jesus who dies on the Cross, shed His blood for our Salvation, he believes that the lds jesus shed blood in the garden and the salvation lds talk about is not complete until they work for it.
When Beck says jesus he is not talking about the same Jesus you are talking about.
When Beck says god he is not talking about the same God, lds teach that god worked his way to godhood IE progression.
The words are the same but lds have nonBiblical definitions to these words.
Isnt the whole point of jude not lest ye be judged yourself that you should not judge someone’s faith, unless you are ready for your own faith to be questioned?
I see a lot of people claiming with total certainty that certain people do not believe in Jesus. I wonder if those claiming that believe in Jesus themselves.
It may be; but that is NOT the ONLY thing that MORMONs 'believe'.
Stay in these threads and you'll learn what some of those 'beliefs' are.
He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he is the Saviour of man put on this earth to pay for our sins.
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Well Beck believes that Satan was the son of the mormon god...
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that the mormon jesus had a premortal state as a spirit and then came to Earth as a man and then was good enough to become a god...
And Beck beliueves that Jpoey Smith doed for man and that his blood saves mormons...
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that it is Joey Smith and not the LORD Jesus Christ who will judge mankind
but that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that Joey Smith will decide who gets passed him into the mormon afterlife
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that he is a priest after the order of Melchezadek
But that doesnt make him a Chriustian
And Beck believes that there will be wholesale sex orgies in the form of harems with him as shiekh of his own planet of 72 virgins
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck be;lieves that Jo0ey Smith was a prophet of the mormon god
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that the book of mormon is twoo
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that the Christian Bible is untwoo
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that the LORD Jesus Chrsit lied asnd lost dropped misplaced had stolen His Chuirch, His Bride
But that doesnt make him a Christian
And Beck believes that Joey Smith finally after 2,000 years of no church, was the only man who could rescue the church and help the wimpy mormon jesus and restored whatever to whatever religion or to whatever version you want to believe
Other than Christian
But that doesnt make him a Christian
Beck believes that everything Joey Smith did or said was of the mormon god and Joey Smith was the most perfect man etc
Yeah that same joey Smith who said there were 1,000 year old men living on the moon, committing wholesale adultry will get you into “heaven” and that the mormon jesus would be back in 1890ish and this world would end
Yeah that Joey Smith
But that doesnt still make Beck a Christian
Joey Smith was excommunicated from the Methodist Church for preaching blasphemy and he hated Christianity...
And Beck ???
Well that still doesnt make him a Christian