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Yeah? I too have one of the best BS radars around and for 20 years I thought we were the same and both Christians. Now it's not for me to say we aren't, from God's point of view, but they don't consider themselves Christian and wouldn't want to be. I have hung with a family of Mormons for some 20 years and until someone said something weird to me a little more than 2 years ago, I never bothered to look into LDS and considered them Christians, the same as me. However,

At some point LDS has to admit I have their Doxy correct. Does that make them a bad person and make me a good person? NO. It just makes us people.

In regards to their quoting of the scriptures, I don't get it. Mormonism has at it's core that the rest of us have been led astray and we continue our whoring ways in direct violation of God's commandments.

They further tell us the Bible is flawed written by some unknown men of a distant age. They they choose what books of the Bible are still valid and then using Utah logic, they read whatever they want into the scripture.

That is how I see it?

Let me shine a very bright light on this. There isn't going to be some new revelation "The prophets" find some sort of equivalency, so LDS can remain relevant. They do not want to and they will not go through a reformation.

Book of Mormon Student Manual:

Page 12;
“The value of the Brass Plates to the Nephites cannot be overestimated. By means of them they were able to
preserve the language (1 Ne. 3:19), most of the civilization, and the religious knowledge of the people
from whence they came. (1 Ne. 22:30.) By way of contrast, the Mulekites, who were led out of Jerusalem
some 11 years after Lehi’s departure, and who had no record equivalent to the Brass Plates, soon
dwindled in apostasy and unbelief and lost their language, civilization, and religion. (Omni 14–18.)

Page 24;
“Why was Israel scattered? The answer is clear; it is plain; of it there is no doubt. Our Israelite forebears
were scattered because they rejected the gospel, defiled the priesthood, forsook the church, and departed from
the kingdom. They were scattered because they turned from the Lord, worshipped false gods, and walked in all
the ways of the heathen nations. . . . Israel was scattered for apostasy. The Lord in his wrath, because of their
wickedness and rebellion, scattered them among the heathen in all the nations of the earth.

Page 26;

especially important are the effects of the Apostasy, the eventual Restoration
of the gospel, and the ultimate triumph of good.

Page 76;

shall be “brought low” (2 Nephi 12:12) and their “lofty looks” (2 Nephi 12:11) shall cease, for at the day of the
Lord—the Second Coming—His glory will smite them. Verses 13–22 describe some of the status symbols of
the day, including commodities acquired by the most wealthy, the high mountains and hills of false worship
and apostate religion, the manmade defenses of towers and walls, and beautiful crafts or pleasure ships. In
summary, the haughty and proud will fall, and their worldly treasures shall crumble away in the presence
of the Lord’s coming (see 3 Nephi 25:1; Malachi 4:1).

Page 93;

The phrase "marvelous work and a wonder" appears in Isaiah 29:14 and refers to the Restoration of the gospel

in the latter days. In 2 Nephi 27 we read of the important role of the Book of Mormon in this Restoration. Isaiah

prophesied that as the Book of Mormon would help dispel the darkness of almost 2,000 years of apostasy, the “wisdom”

of the supposed “wise and learned” would “perish, and the understanding of their prudent” would come to naught
(2 Nephi 27:26).

Missionary Preparation Student Manual(2005)

Introdcution v;

Subjects covered in both this student manual and Preach My Gospel include understanding the call to
serve a mission; learning to study and teach the gospel; teaching about the Apostasy, the Restoration,
and the importance of latter-day scripture;

Page 63;

Time and again throughout the history of the world, the people eventually rejected the prophets’ message. When

this happened, prophets, ordinances, and priesthood authority were taken away and the people lived in spiritual

darkness. These periods of darkness are referred to as periods of apostasy. Because of His mercy, in time the Lord called

and sent new prophets to restore His gospel.

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The rejection of the Savior, His teachings, and priesthood authority resulted in the Apostasy of the New Testament Church.

Without revelation or priesthood authority, false doctrines began to be taught and the true Church of Jesus Christ was lost.

God allowed truth, as well as His priesthood authority, ordinances, and Church organization to be taken once again from the earth

because of the apostasy of His children.

This apostasy eventually led to the emergence of many churches. False ideas were taught and knowledge of the true character and nature

of the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost was lost. The doctrine of repentance became distorted. Baptism and other

ordinances and covenants were changed or forgotten. The gift of the Holy Ghost was no longer available. This period of time when the true

Church no longer existed on the earth has come to be known as the Great Apostasy. It lasted until the Restoration through the Prophet

Joseph Smith.

Prospective missionaries should have an understanding of this apostasy and be able to teach it in a simple manner to their investigators.

(What's an investigator?)

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President Gordon B. Hinckley taught that the reformers were doing their best to find the truths that had been lost to the Great Apostasy:

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If, through apostasy, the truth and authority of the gospel are lost, God eventually calls another prophet at the appropriate time and place to

restore His authority and truth. The Prophet Joseph Smith was called to usher in the gospel dispensation that will lead to the Second Coming

of Jesus Christ and the Millennium.

New Testament Student Manual

(13-6) Matthew 15:13;

Who Are the “Plants” That “Shall Be Rooted Up”? False ministers who are offended by the truth “are corrupt and apostate, and in due course

shall be rooted out” by the truths which the Lord and his prophets declare. (See McConkie, DNTC, 1:368.)

Without the claim of Apostacy, LDS is not relevant nor can they validate themselves as "The One True Church on Earth".

Apostacy seems to be a recurring Obsession of the LDS Meme and somehow we are all suppose to bow down to their superior

Spirit, Perception, Pre-emminance, Superiority and anything else they can think of that puts people in the position of bit players

for their patronizing and condescending attitude. All of which comes by way of a superiority complex.

Most people can't stand to be in the same room with a personality disorder that claims "Everyone else is inferior to me. Now, bow down, kiss my ring finger and follow me...."

And that is the very first and major problem with LDS. You aren't superior or chosen by God above all others. "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God". No one is excluded in that statement or any of the companion scriptures. There is no way to receive special dispensation without Joseph Smith.

Besides the Hebrew beat the LDS by being the first and only chosen people of God.

So help me out here; Is this still current LDS doctrine?

Anyone? Anyone?...... Anyone?

Everthing I typed above is from current LDS Student Material. So nothing has changed, at all.