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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg; Quix
For your edification,Dr. Eck:

OrthodoPresbyterianC from the website doctrine

Catholic doctrine from the Catechism

  • It will be noted that the Confession sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement.
  • In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.
  • This is a very serious error. In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
  • Never again will there be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit such as took place on the day of Pentecost.
  • The sending of the Holy Spirit is just as much an unrepeatable event as the birth of Christ was.

Grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us. But grace also includes the gifts that the Spirit grants us to associate us with his work, to enable us to collaborate in the salvation of others and in the growth of the Body of Christ, the Church. There are sacramental graces, gifts proper to the different sacraments. There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning "favor," "gratuitous gift," "benefit."53 


Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church

125 posted on 05/04/2011 10:01:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

Fascinating. Rome is even more foolish than I thought.

But I forgot. Rome never met a parlor trick it didn’t try to adapt into its theology.

137 posted on 05/04/2011 6:00:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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