What critics don't understand about testimony (REAL Mormon / LDS)

Mormon Times ^ | Michael R. Ash

[SZonian]

If I may, your post was spot on and you are not adding fuel to the fire, per se.

You may feel your message was “less polite” than intended, as is your prerogative, but I respectfully disagree.

Your well thought out, polite and appropriate message is a refreshing and much needed perspective.

Blessings,
SZ

[Paragon Defender]

You sure would fail at debate class.

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I would be so hurt..... if I was here to debate.

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Yes, it is kinda pointless for those who want an answer on Mormonism’s questionable doctrines out of the mouth of a mormon.

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Not at all. The links I have provided address every “issue” or question that I have ever seen raised by the anti-Mormon gang here. Also, if you feel you have to have more direct interaction with a Mormon apologist, that is vailable at a few of the sites as well.

The question now is; Is that what you really want or is it just a game?

[SZonian]

"Disagreeing is one thing. What you and your anti-Mormon gang do goes well beyond disagreement."

Yet, when asked what would constitute "honest debate", you refuse to answer.

Why is that? Is it that you want to define the rules by which you will enjoin in "honest debate" or "disagreement"? Well then, answer the question; What would constitute "honest debate"

Or, as I believe, based on your refusal to answer. You don't want "honest debate" since it would only serve to open the flood gates even further. You would be obligated to do research and substantiate your claims and assertions. As it is, you can hide behind the "list-o-links"©.

To maintain a nebulous environment by which one can "float" around dodging any and all responsibility for failing to answer questions and the persitent ad-hominems.

Speaking of Ad-hominems, comparing one who disagrees with you to one of the Phelps gang? Epic fail as it demonstrates a complete lack of substance, civility and maturity.

[Paragon Defender]

is it just propaganda when your beliefs are questioned?

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Nope.

It is propaganda when my beliefs are misrepresented etc. I’ve said this dozens of times.

[Paragon Defender]

Speaking of Ad-hominems, comparing one who disagrees with you to one of the Phelps gang? Epic fail as it demonstrates a complete lack of substance, civility and maturity.

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The over the top response to the point of telling me to repent induced a raised eyebrow similar to when I hear a Westboro member going off so it made me wonder. So I asked.

And any of the anti-Mormon gang talking to anyone else about substance, civility and maturity is laughable.

[SZonian]

Your failure to address even one aspect of the rest of my post answers my question.

Thank you.

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Your “reply” is irrelevant, merely pointing it out so the persistent nature of your comments is visible to those who may not be familiar with your posting “style”.

Thanks for repeating it (bumping it) in your reply to me.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

You are dodging again.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

So where did I misrepresent any facts? Please point it out if you are going to call me propagandist.

Btw, I think it's so cute and quaint of you to label anything that you can't refute as propaganda. Just like the muzzies. lol

[rickomatic]

When Oliver Cowdery made his failed attempt at translating the plates the Lord told him: “Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me. But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.” (Doctrine and Covenants 9:7-8).

With all due respect, I have a question. If the Lord spoke with Oliver Cowdry about his attempts to translate the plates, why did he tell him to seek a burning in his bosom rather than just telling him? Wasn't he just speaking with him?

[Diamond]

I don't see anything at all impolite about the tone of your post. The way I see it the tone of your post was just true, not only in its facts, but also in your expression of frustration at being called names for nothing more than respectfully asking for answers to legitimate factual questions.

I think your post is very powerful in its simplicity and honesty.

The palpable irony illustrated by your post is that you were simply doing what the Mormon article at the top of the thread, What Critics Don't Understand About Testimony states ought to be done. And for the use of your rational faculties at seeking the truth and getting at the facts what do you get? All you get is some name-calling by the Mormon apologist. That should tell you something. It is very revealing.

I hope your post stays put.

Cordially,

[greyfoxx39]

The palpable irony illustrated by your post is that you were simply doing what the Mormon article at the top of the thread, What Critics Don't Understand About Testimony states ought to be done. And for the use of your rational faculties at seeking the truth and getting at the facts what do you get? All you get is some name-calling by the Mormon apologist. That should tell you something. It is very revealing.

I hope your post stays put.

Well said!

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[SZonian]

I thought it was so good I copied it in case it doesn’t stay put.

And to Diamond, bump what you said!

[Osage Orange]

Personally....I don't think your post was impolite at all.

I think you spoke frankly, and truthfully.

I say let you post stand....It may be instructional for some. Maybe even PD.

[Osage Orange]

Nah sorry I don’t play pointless games.

ROFLOL!!! PD....!!! BBAAAAHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

Now that was funny!!!

[ejonesie22]

PDs desperation grows...

Rather funny really..

[ejonesie22]

PDs desperation grows...

Rather funny really..

[Osage Orange]

Ha!!!

[ejonesie22]

Meanwhile, back in reality...