Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity (REAL Mormon / LDS)

LDS.org ^ | Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. Ricks

[MacMattico]

You deny the Trinity because you say it’s a fifth century idea, not from original Christian belief. Yet all of the other things you bring up are concepts and ideas that originated much later then the fifth century, but that I am suppose to believe?

Oh, and where do the aliens fit in?

[Graybeard58]

Mormon temple ritual in general is another source of controversy, largely because many think that the reticence to talk about it is not Christian

Their "reticence to talk about it", stems from the fact that it was stolen from Free Masonry, which predates mormonism by a long shot.

A bit embarrassing that.

[Belteshazzar]

Didn’t this Backyard Professor guy used to be on Green Acres?

[greyfoxx39]

Their "reticence to talk about it", stems from the fact that it was stolen from Free Masonry, which predates mormonism by a long shot.

And...mormons believe these Masonic "tokens" are necessary for them to reach "exaltation"

In a way, the temple endowment is preparation for the sealing ordinance of eternal marriage, which in turn is preparation for the promise of eternal life preparatory to the realization of exaltation.10

I think it would be interesting to see a lawsuit by Masonry against LDS, Inc. for theft!

I've been watching the newest episodes of "Sister Wives"....this particular guy has the system all figured out and the women are totally clueless. Joseph Smith's legacy...in spades and living color.

[Uri’el-2012]

The Trinity is basic Christianity of which the LDS church knows nothing about. You have just shown how the LDS and Mormonism is not Christian. Thank you.

Sorry.

The trinity is not part of first century
belief in the Jewish Messiah.

It was added later.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[SkyDancer]

The concept of a triune G-d was written about in the OT (Elohim is plural). The doctrine of the Trinity just defined it. Even though it wasn't talked about in the NT just the fact that Yashua mentions the Comforter i.e. the Holy Spirit and of course He mentions His Father in Heaven brings it more into focus. You can mention the triune or Trinity of G-d without having a defined statement alluding to the fact. We believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. It's one times one times one; not one plus one plus one.

שאלו שלום ירושלם

[Uri’el-2012]

Lev 26:11 'Moreover, I will make My dwelling{tabernacle} among you, and My soul will not reject you.

Lev 26:12 'I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!

Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

Isaiah 63:10 But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.

Isaiah 63:11 Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses.
Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, .... 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt{tabernacle} among us,

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

John 14:9 Jesus said to him,... He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
how {can} you say, 'Show us the Father'?

I take YHvH at His WORD; I reject the Pagan Man-made Tradition which seek to impugn His Word.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[SkyDancer]

Please then tell me; who is the Father that Yashua speaks of and who is The Holy Spirit, the Comforter that Yashua speaks of? Is Yashua lying when he mentions Them? Is Yashua also lying when He says He is Messiah (G-d)? In the NT when it mentions “call no man Father” is really “call no man Creator” - We have Creator G-d, Son G-d and Holy Spirit G-d. Do you believe that Holy Spirit is G-d? I don’t want Bible verses. I’d like to know what you yourself believe of the G-d Head.

[Colofornian]

I’ve found a terrific book by Tad R. Callister, The Inevitable Apostacy and the Promised Restoration. It is very well written, and it clarified much for me.

Y'all understand what Yellow Roses is claiming here?...that ALL of the founding fathers were "corrupt" apostates.

JosephSmith came along & claimed that some unnamed entities appeared to him 1820, 1821 or 1822 (he couldn't stick to the year) & told him that ALL such "professors" were "corrupt."

[Enosh]

I must say, post 7.5 is hilarious!

[Uri’el-2012]

I don’t want Bible verses. I’d like to know what you yourself believe of the G-d Head.

I believe the Holy Word of Elohim.

Yah'shua said :

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, .... 'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Do you think He lied to us ?

No! The creator of the universe can not be described by
created beings in our own terms; that would be blasphemy.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[yellowroses]

Is this a caucus thread?

No this is NOT a caucus thread. It’s an opportunity for ignorant remarks from real tolerant “Christians”. /s

They’re afraid to use their own brains. No spiritual abilities at all, just slinging mud.

Regards,
Yellow Roses

[SkyDancer]

Okay. So Yashua is not G-d and the Holy Spirit is not G-d. You believe the Holy Word of Elohim. It’s a plural name.

[Elsie]

Since the inception of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, many critics have denied that it is Christian.

Dang!

I wonder why...

[yellowroses]

“Y’all understand what Yellow Roses is claiming here?...that ALL of the founding fathers were “corrupt” apostates. “

I’m not shocked at your reply. You’ve obviously NOT read the book to which I am referring.

You DO NOT understand at all, do you?

[Elsie]

The Trinity is basic Christianity of which the LDS church knows nothing about.

That is SO not true!

The LDS church knows about it; it's the MEMBERS that are in the dark!!

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Mormon 7:7

And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.

 

 

An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"—one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statements—was published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

[Elsie]

If only I had a second chance to change things!

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JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

[Elsie]

An excellent article. I hope you will read it and ponder the truths contained in it.

And ignore all the LIES in it and do not even begin to wonder what has been OMITTED from.

[Uri’el-2012]

Okay. So Yashua is not G-d and the Holy Spirit is not G-d. You believe the Holy Word of Elohim. It’s a plural name.

Firstly: plural in Hebrew does not always mean more than one.
It may be also used for comparative.

The terms: Father and Holy Spirit are metaphors for our human comprehension.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Elsie]

“The old bishop once told me that our God was sent to rule Earth by twelve other gods.”

Almost: the MORMON Living Prophet® gets information DIRECTLY FROM GOD.

Then the Quorum of Twelve has to VOTE to see if it was REALLY true or not.

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Just like 1^st century Christians...