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To: CTrent1564
Verdugo wrote: The modernist/progressivist controlled “New Church” teaches that Fatima was not important, a private revelation which one can accept or reject. It is the “New Church” that promotes evolution and liberal criticism of scripture.

CTrent1564 responded: Verdugo is 100% wrong in this post.

Verdugo answers: Can't say 100% because what you posted only addressed 1/3 of the subjects that I mentioned. You didn't address at all the promotion of evolution, nor the liberal criticisms of scripture.

Now, concerning the third point, Fatima, it is not just another private revelation, it is substantiated by the greatest forecast of the future(That the Miracle of the Sun would occur at such a date and time), and the greatest Miracle of all time (70,000 people were witnesses. They and the ground were soaking wet one minute, and the next they and the groung were dry, plus the Miracle of the Sun):

Now, EWTN promotes the LIE that Fatima is an event that is past us, that Pope JPII consecrated Russia, and Russia was converted in 1987. EWTN also says the Third Secret was fully revealed. This stance in 100% in accord with the progressivists party line, the party line of the enemies of Fatima.

Where do you stand?

107 posted on 04/07/2011 11:00:25 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: verdugo

verdugo:

I stand with Pope John Paul II and now Pope Benedict XVI. Fatima, like Lourdes, etc, is private revelation and has always been seen as such and can not ever supercede public revelation which ended with the death of the Apostle St. John.

Evolution is a scientific theory that explains how biological changes occur and adapt. There is nothing wrong with it as a scientific theory and that is what it is, it can’t answer how something came into being from nothing, that is where philosophy and theology point to God creating the world from nothing ,which is what the Creeds affirm, I believe in God the Father almighty creator of Heaven and earth and all things seen and unseen. Evolution does not nor can it ever explain that and to pit those two together is intellectually stupid, in my view.

The Historical critical method is not my favorite methodology fo Scripture exegesis but it was given Papal approval to be used in the study of scripture. The problem with it is that many Biblical scholars have taken this approach and separated from the Doctrine of the Church, Creeds and the Patristic Consensus, etc and on that not, Pope Benedict XVI in his book Jesus of Nazareth Volume 1 and 2 has criticized.

For the record, these Papal Documents all called for the Historical Critical Method to be used as a complement to the other methodologies when studying the Sacred Scriptures:

1. Pope Leo XIII: Encyclical Letter On the Study of Sacred Scripture, Providentissimus Deus, 1893

2. Pope Benedict XV: Encyclical Letter Commemorating the Fifteenth Centenary of the Death of St. Jerome,
Spiritus Paraclitus, 1920

3. Pope Pius XII: Encyclical Letter Promoting Biblical Studies, Divino Afflante Spiritu, 1943

Verdugo, please not that all 3 of these documents occurred before Vatican II.


111 posted on 04/09/2011 7:51:16 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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