Skip to comments.Why do Americans still dislike atheists?
Posted on 05/01/2011 6:06:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Long after blacks and Jews have made great strides, and even as homosexuals gain respect, acceptance and new rights, there is still a group that lots of Americans just dont like much: atheists. Those who dont believe in God are widely considered to be immoral, wicked and angry. They cant join the Boy Scouts. Atheist soldiers are rated potentially deficient when they do not score as sufficiently spiritual in military psychological evaluations. Surveys find that most Americans refuse or are reluctant to marry or vote for nontheists; in other words, nonbelievers are one minority still commonly denied in practical terms the right to assume office despite the constitutional ban on religious tests.
Rarely denounced by the mainstream, this stunning anti-atheist discrimination is egged on by Christian conservatives who stridently and uncivilly declare that the lack of godly faith is detrimental to society, rendering nonbelievers intrinsically suspect and second-class citizens.
Is this knee-jerk dislike of atheists warranted? Not even close.
A growing body of social science research reveals that atheists, and non-religious people in general, are far from the unsavory beings many assume them to be. On basic questions of morality and human decency issues such as governmental use of torture, the death penalty, punitive hitting of children, racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, environmental degradation or human rights the irreligious tend to be more ethical than their religious peers, particularly compared with those who describe themselves as very religious.
Consider that at the societal level, murder rates are far lower in secularized nations such as Japan or Sweden than they are in the much more religious United States, which also has a much greater portion of its population in prison.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Even within this country, those states with the highest levels of church attendance, such as Louisiana and Mississippi, have significantly higher murder rates than far less religious states such as Vermont and Oregon.
(OF COURSE IT's TRYING TO SUBTLY ARGUE THAT GREATER BELIEF IN GOD DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO A MORE PEACEFUL SOCIETY)
WaPo’s observations about atheistic families and individuals:
* As individuals, atheists tend to score high on measures of intelligence, especially verbal ability and scientific literacy.
* They tend to raise their children to solve problems rationally, to make up their own minds when it comes to existential questions and to obey the golden rule.
* They are more likely to practice safe sex than the strongly religious are
* They are less likely to be nationalistic or ethnocentric.
* They value freedom of thought.
* Denmark, which is among the least religious countries in the history of the world, consistently rates as the happiest of nations.
* Studies of apostates people who were religious but later rejected their religion report feeling happier, better and liberated in their post-religious lives.
That's because Oregon and Vermont are much more racially homogenous.When you have diverse States like Louisiana and Mississippi, you tend to have higher crime rates.
And I see nothing wrong with private groups excluding atheists from their memberships, as nothing stops atheists from forming their own private groups which exclude people of faith.
Because atheists ARE angry, bitter, sarcastic, and generally unpleasant to be around.
** ...reveals that atheists, and non-religious people in general, are far from the unsavory beings many assume them to be.**
Unbelievers, yet they carry a “HOLIER THAN THOU” attitude against believers. Actually it’s not that they are Unbelievers, IMO, it’s that most of them are LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES, and THAT we don’t LIKE!
This writer commits the fallacy of Begging the Question right in the title of his crappy piece of propaganda.
And these “newspapers” wonder why they are going out of business. What a joke.
If I remember correctly, right up until the 1920s’, an atheist’s testimony was not acceptible in court.
After all, to whom could the atheist solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me ....?
Because too many atheists are jerks.
Since when is atheism up there with race discrimination? Here we go.
Could it be that the dislike stems from the fact that many Christians believe individuals who espouse atheism endanger the souls of those who might question the existence of God, at that point in time when they come in contact with such a proselytizer?
“... a minority of atheists being very vocal about mocking Christians”.
I agree. I think that Americans, above any other country, simply accept that other people have different religious views or no views whatsoever. What many don’t like isn’t the fact that a person DOESN’T believe in God, or a God, but the fact that a group wants to force others to ignore/hide/discredit their God. For example, taking prayer out of schools, wanting “In God We Trust” off of currency, etc... In short, it isn’t the Atheist as a person that people don’t like but the actions of a group. IMHO
1. Religious believers tend to have 40% more children than atheists, and it was 1.5 for Vermont. Religious families has 2.1-2.5 kids, depending on beliefs. That more children within the population. Murder is overwhelmingly committed by 15-30 year olds. The higher murder rate may be linked to simply more people in that demographic range.
2. Broken families are a strong indicator of criminal behavior, and 2/3 of black children are illegitimate. Mississippi is majority black, though Louisiana is about 2/3 white. The majority black may explain the higher murder rate for Mississippi. And Louisiana has been a corrupt state for ages, with a high crime rate - witness Katrina “survivors” spiking the murder rate in Houston.
RE: This writer commits the fallacy of Begging the Question right in the title of his crappy piece of propaganda.
Last year, Australia elected an openly self-proclaimed atheist, Julia Gillard, who also cohabits with her partner, as Prime Minister. (Yeah, she sorta looks like Jody Foster too ).
Would someone like her ever be elected President of the United States?
Some very cogent arguments in them!
It seems to me that atheists tend to be liberals.
I am not an animal.
For good reason. But somehow, in the Land of Moral Relevancy, these differences aren't supposed to matter.
But the land of Moral Relevancy is Fictional. So stuff it.
i get sick of the elitist, pseudo intellectual garbage they carry...
that whole patronizing ‘oh you still believe in that imaginary man in the sky?’....
Because so many of them spend an inordinate amount of time on a personal crusade (pun intentional) to attack something they claim doesn’t exist - an off-putting combination of irrationality and antisocial behavior.
Most doubt the existence of the Tooth Fairy but they don’t spill oceans of real and virtual ink writing to convince others of same.
Which means there is another agenda at work.
Atheists have become a pain in the butt...just like gays. It’s their problem. I’m sick of them infringing on MY life.
I think that atheists can generally be subdivided into different groups, each of which gets a different response from non-atheists.
1) The first group are those who have personally rejected religion, and are very bitter about it. For whatever reason, they are still filled with hate and hurt, and want to “get even” with religion.
2) The second group are those who lost interest in religion. They no longer can embrace it, intellectually or emotionally, and just want to leave it behind. Oddly enough, many of these are conservatives who have forsaken a “liberalized” church, equating it with religion as a whole.
3) The third group were raised in a non-religious family, who see religion as arcane and alien, something that people “different from us” do. No push or pull into religion.
4) Those who are philosophically atheist and anti-religious. Radical leftist fruitcakes. Plenty of them, unfortunately. “There is no God because Marx says so.”
There are many factors behind the crime rates, mainly poverty. But while atheist can overall be relatively moral, and even more so than some religious, it does not gain its moral reasoning out of thin air, but is influenced by religious morality.
Yet its objectively baseless moral reasoning can easily allow it to justify engaging in things which are equal to or worse than religion that looks to an authority higher than the Christian scriptures, as Mao, Pol Pot, etc,. evidenced. And such things as the Inquisitions or Utah war were the result of allegiance to an authority over the Bible.
And as man will always worship something, atheism fosters “political religion.”
Atheists today can justify removing children from Christian parents, equating the latter to engaging in child abuse by denying Godless evolution, or asserting that requiring reciting “one nation under God” is such. And the blind conclusions many militant atheists derive from the Bible impugns their rationality and objectively
Atheism’s Body Count - Ideology and Human Suffering - http://www.scholarscorner.com/apologia/deathtoll
http://www.epsociety.org/library/articles.asp?pid=45&mode=detail (Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?)
Of course that's another argument that shoots down the idea that atheism isn't a religion. There'd be no such needs to "evangelize" if that were not the case.
When a group goes out of its way to offend Christians on their major holidays and to ban them from the public sphere, you'll make people hate you.
let’s name a few “peaceful” atheists- Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro
My son says "He believes what he believes, I believe what I believe." They don't discuss those beliefs. They spend their time together talking about the things they do have in common. If either spent time trying to "convert" the other, their friendship would have lasted about 5 minutes.
So atheists tend to be leftists that equate coddling Muslim terrorists, sparing the lives of murderous monsters, homosexuality, and bslieving global warming BS with morality. Big surprise. And any notion that athiests demonstrate less anti-Semitism is highly suspect.
Because they are evangelical fundamentalists who try to force everybody else to think like them.
How quaint. The authors failed to mention the vrey different demographics of, say, Vermont and Mississippi. Compare Detroit andMississippi and the results would probably be quite different.
I usually leave out Hitler in such lists as he did espouse some sort of faith. He called it Christianity but of course he was no Christian. Instead of Hitler, use Stalin, who was most definitely a card-carrying atheist.
As for morals, these atheists seem to like to borrow those which come from a Judeo-Christian worldview. Applied consistently, they will make someone successful (though I've seen numerous personal examples with all the atheists I know which can shoot down every point listed in the article about how atheists are supposedly "better" than those of faith).
The problem is though, that for atheism, by definition all morals are relative to the person. One atheist might think that behaving towards others in Judeo-Christian way is right and good, and another, such as the ones you listed, would think that being a murderous tyrant towards others is also right and good.
To put it another way, if I was an atheist, and I saw someone who had something I wanted, why would it be wrong in a moral (not legal) sense for me to kill that person and steal that item? From a Christian perspective, I could say that God commands me not to do that, and He will execute judgement on me if I do it.
I do pray for them that they see the light before it's too late.
I do dislike the way so many of them fight any display of Christianity (freedom of religion does include us, too) and try to force their lack of belief upon is.
I equate a lot of atheists to vegetarians in that they seem to want so badly to call attention to themselves.
"Look at meeee.....I'm an atheist! Isn't that cool?"
Once you buy into the fiction that you are nothing more than a tube of meat, it's easy to rationalize exterminating all the other meattubes with whom you disagree. There's no difference between a human and a cockroach once you've surrendered your soul to Godlessness.
The irony is that atheism is itself a metaphysical belief. Even the most revered scientific theories are, at their core, based on some metaphysical belief.
That's okay... they will too someday.. :)
There are plenty more devout fundamentalist Christians (my state of West Virginia is full of them) who vote the Democrat, pro-government cheese ticket every chance they get.
Imagine that. When they measure atheists against humanist concepts of morality, they turn out to be fine and upright people. Hello . . . Perfect example of liberals "ever seeing but never perceiving". Libtards, man does not establish standards of right & wrong, good & evil . . . God does. You guys have some catching up to do, all the way back to the Garden of Eden.
They miss the mark when they say God doesn’t exist because they can’t see God. They need to open their eyes. God is all around. He is about faith in your heart and soul. He is not an intellectual discussion which is the biggest excuse so many people who want to avoid give.
God is not an intellectual discussion.
This fact is lost in the militant atheist camp. They think all of their people are as pure as the driven snow. Sorta like the tone of this article.
The irony of that is it gives more credibility to the Christian God (John 1:18).
Atheists in places such as Denmark, et., are entering into other men’s labors, that being a Christian foundation, the effects of which does not disappear overnight.Where is theit a state founded by atheism? Communism is the most substantial testimony to what an atheistic State effects.
And as regard the money factor, etc. in the US, you should find this revealing. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Statistical_Correlations.html
Atheists, agnostics and people associated with non-Christian faiths are most likely to be politically liberal and least likely to say they are happy;
42% of atheists and agnostics (who make up approx. 9% of the American adult population) claimed to be stressed out , 14% said they were lonely, and 68% concerned about the future. 4% describe themselves as being conservative, 2% as being politically liberal, and 71% as having traditional or family-oriented values. 60% were concerned about America’s moral state.
Consistent with the public’s image of atheists and agnostics, they were the segment most likely to describe themselves as being politically liberal (32%) and were the group least likely to describe themselves as being conservative (4%) or as having traditional or family-oriented values (71%).
About four out of ten skeptics were registered as Democrats, four out of ten as independents and just two out of ten as Republicans. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/80-peoples-faith-flavor-influences-how-they-see-themselves?q=atheists+stressed
Three-quarters of the self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics say that all moral truth is relative to the person and circumstances; only 10% believe in absolute moral truth. Their views on morality are in extreme contrast to those of the two born again segments. For instance, seven out of ten believe abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances; six out of ten approve of clergy performing gay marriages; nine out of ten approve of cohabitation; more than three out of four embrace pornography as a moral behavior; and two-thirds deem drunkenness and using profanity to be morally acceptable acts.
As was true among the adults associated with non-Christian faiths, several million atheists and agnostics grew up regularly attending Christian churches (30%). As would be expected, their religious views vary widely from those who associate with Christianity. Just one out of ten believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches; only one-fourth say their religious faith is very important in their life; and large majorities reject beliefs in the existence of Satan, the reality of the Holy Spirit, the notion of Jesus leading a sinless life, and a biblical depiction of the nature of God. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/66-american-faith-is-diverse-as-shown-among-five-faith-based-segments?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
According to the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life’s monumental “U.S. Religious Landscape Survey” that was issued in June, 21% of self-proclaimed atheists believe in either a personal God or an impersonal force. 10% percent of atheists pray at least weekly and 12% believe in heaven.
Lots more re spiritual/moral stats http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Statistical_Correlations.html
“I am not an animal.”
But atheists are animals by their own insistence and that is the problem.
Could it be that we, in spite of what our current president says, ARE a Christian, God-believing nation. And over the past several decades have been treated with hostility by Atheists who have been fighting to wipe God and our right to worship, pray or celebrate Him out of our culture.
Maybe THAT’S why, dude...
Rushing along toward church.
Boy Scout Oath
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
The Boy Scout Oath has three promises:
Duty to God and country
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
The Boy Scout Oath puts God first. An atheist puts self above all others. A Boy Scout would help an Atheist wouldnt care about their faith. Boy Scouts were spat upon during the flag ceremony at Gore's Democrat convention, because they are "morally straight"
So who are the haters?
I think, prejudice aside, people generally don’t mind folks who keep their views on religious subjects to themselves. Proselytizers for any view arepretty hard to take; most of us tolerate the first event kindly and then avoid the subject going forward.
The problem is that you pretty much have to believe in evolution to be an atheist, and only idiots believe in evolution any more. Would you want YOUR daughter to marry an idiot?