Posted on 05/09/2011 7:58:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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This has NEVER stopped MORMONs in the past from glomming onto ANYTHING to justify their wild beliefs.
Or REJECTING anything as well!
No primitive jell-o molds have turned up in any Meso-American or North American ruins. Keep digging.
The man had all kinds of personal problems, plagiarized huge sections of our beloved Bible, had magic stones, did things behind curtains while his face was inside a hat, was run out of numerous towns across Northern America, said there are hundreds of thousands gods (and we could become one too), had problems with other peoples' wives and daughters, dreamed up European animals, plants, and technology, and said they existed here in the New World, said he'll be sitting next to Jesus when we "pass over," and conjured up Kolob, a magical planet somewhere out there.
It's difficult to put on a sober hat and keep a straight face to "discuss" the validity of anything that is Mormon. I quite honestly feel so sorry for Mormons to have put their afterlives in the hands of such a person. And according to our Bible, it's not pleasant.
“Jesus lived his mortal ministry for more than 30 years in the Old World, yet there is not an abundance of evidence outside of the Christian literature. “
The entire history of Western civilization is evidence! Jesus changed the course of of history and Western civilization echos with His actions.
Yet in America we find nothing... until Christian civilization arrives.
To Greyfox..... Well said Sir !
That is about as divorced from reality as one can get.
Holy underwear!
So basically the morons are saying Christ had no real impact on the new world.
In the old world, millions would become Christians but in the new world where Jesus came over to convert, no one survives?
Logic would suggest that the message and messenger ( Jesus of the bible ) from the old world is superior then the message and messenger ( Mormon Jesus) from the new world.
Where does on begin to address this pile of bovine excrement in Ash’s article.
Perhaps the first is that in order to set forth his argument he has to totally throw Joseph Smith and the BOM under the bus.
Both proclaim the civilization extended from sea to sea and numbered in the millions upon millions.
But then he also constructs a series of strawmen defenses.
1. Evidence of a “Christian” culture. He completely ignores the greater context of a hebraic - egyptian culture. He tries to focus the reader on the infinitesimally tiny population group and asks what kind of relics they’d leave. Again, he tosses the bom and hundreds of years of the teachings of the ‘prophets’ under the bus. Evidences of a metallurgically advanced (steel), building temples (like solomon’s), with horses, chariots, armor, vast cities, etc.
2. He tries to minimize the chances of artifact survival for a 1000 years. Currently, archaeology has uncovered sites in the Americas far, far older and from those relics been able to effectively reconstruct their culture.
3. He states that we SHOULDN’T find Hebraic/Christian iconography. One has to ask - why. According to the BOM, in 33 AD Jesus came and BOTH the nephite and Lamanites became “Christian”. So there should be an abundance of evidence out there.
4. The abundance of archaeological discoveries of other cultures in the Americas should have shown SOME indication of another “Christian” group. Mayan writings DETAIL peoples, cities, and wars - with absolutely NO reference to such an advanced metallurgical peoples with horses and chariots, NOR a genocidal war the culminated in NY.
No, the only naive beliefs are those of mormons who can only explain AWAY the lack evidence. At best Ash can only jump up and say “SQUIRREL” to the mormon faithful to lull them into a false sense of security, rather than allow them to face the truth that the absolute absence of tangible evidence in contrast to the overwhelming abundance of evidence to the contrary.
the complete lack of any genetic evidence.....
the complete lack of any linguistic evidence.....
And one is forced to conclude, based upon evidence, that Joseph Smith was a fraud and nothing in the Book of Mormon is to be taken seriously as a record of any actual events of the real world.
“In the old world, millions would become Christians but in the new world where Jesus came over to convert, no one survives? “
A salient point.
South Park has the best take on this fraudulent religion. “Dum, dee, dum, dum...”
NO!
You MUST be wrong!!
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