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To: Turtlepower
Let's repeat a basic Bible lesson:

In fact,

  1. What does Jesus say saves us?
    • Matt. 24:13
      13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    • Matt 25:31-46 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
      35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
      36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words

  2. 1 Pet. 3:20-21: " It (Baptism )saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

  3. Note -- also in Acts 16:31 we are told to believe and you will be saved

when exactly did that happen? -- Read the accounts of the Last Supper

The entire theme of John 6 is belief in Jesus's TRUE words, not in a metaphor -- as I repeated again and again, Jesus pointed out when there was a metaphor in other cases, but he did not do so here.

117 posted on 05/11/2011 8:54:52 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

Funny...you are only using a couple of verses to support your position, but your pope said that you need to read the Bible in context and and just pick a couple of verses by themselves.

Jesus also said about these things about salvation:

John 3:3 “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”

John 6:40 “For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:47 “Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.”

True belief and just superficial belief in Christ causes one to be a new creature, filled by the Holy Spirit, who will endure and perform good works in obediance to God. It is the true belief that saves while the good works are a demonstration of the belief.

What about the thief on the cross? He confessed his belief in Christ in his final moments and Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise. The thief wasn’t baptized, didn’t peform and good works in Jesus’ name, and didn’t eat any wafers to be born again - only a true belief.

The last supper account was also figurative. The passage doesn’t say the bread they ate had some sort of supernatural transformation to become His literal flesh. It was just bread, and He was explaining in a metaphor that His body would soon be broken and His blood would be spilled.

In John chapter 6 Jesus was testing the faith and committment of His disciples. Many left because they didn’t have true belief and weren’t committed to Him. His closest disciples (except Judas Iscariot) were committed to Him when they said “Lord, to whom shall we go?”.


128 posted on 05/12/2011 4:53:48 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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