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Pets in Heaven? (Especially on May 21st)
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| Dr. Richard Geraghty, PhD
Posted on 05/18/2011 2:31:49 PM PDT by Salvation
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**But in the case of man, the soul remains in existence because it is a spiritual or immaterial thing. Consequently, it differs from the souls of animals in two important respects. First, it is the seat of intelligence or reason. For this reason a man is held responsible for his actions in a way that animals are not. Secondly, the soul is immortal. A thing which has no physical parts cannot fall apart or be poisoned or be crushed or be put out of existence. For this reason the souls of the saved will always be aware of themselves as enjoying the vision of God for all eternity. **
Animals can't be "saved" so they will not be in heaven.
Any other thoughts?
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT
by
Salvation
To: Salvation
“Animals can’t be “saved” so they will not be in heaven.”
Agreed.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:35:08 PM PDT
by
Grunthor
(RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; metmom; ...
WOOOF!
The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:35:15 PM PDT
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: Salvation
I hope he is wrong.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:37:28 PM PDT
by
a6intruder
(downtown with big bombs, 24/7, rain or shine, day or night)
To: Salvation
I always like what my cousin said about this when the subject would come up - pets don’t go to Heaven, but if you get there and choose to ask for a loved pet to join you, God will make it so. Heaven is a place of rest and reward - if your perfect eternity includes having Fluffy and Spot, then they will be there.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT
by
arderkrag
(Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
To: Grunthor
How do you know?
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT
by
starlifter
(Pullum sapit)
To: Grunthor
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:37:55 PM PDT
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: Joe 6-pack
Catechism of the Catholic Church 2415-2418
2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity. Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man's dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.
2416 Animals are God's creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:37:55 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: arderkrag
That is something I had never envisioned. However, does God always answer in the positive?
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:39:16 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
William F. Buckley had a great story about this. I won’t do it justice but a woman asked a Jesuit priest if her little dog would be with her in heaven. The priest replied that if that was what it took to make her happy in heaven then the dog would be there. Great answer.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:39:22 PM PDT
by
hometoroost
(Love the Onion story on a closed-ceremony "transparency" award. Oh wait, that actually happened.)
To: Salvation
well, IMHO a person entering heaven will be rewarded for believing in GOD.
Part of that reward can be seeing your beloved companions.
Animals cannot enter heaven on their own, but maybe by the reqest of the person.
But who knows???
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:40:21 PM PDT
by
Yorlik803
(better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
To: Salvation
There is no way that a place called Heaven wouldn’t have my dog there.
To: Salvation
In the case of plants and animals the soul goes out of existence.When exactly is the "death" of a plant? An apple, say? When it is picked? Cored? Sliced? Sauced? Cidered?
Now, if one plant is grafted onto another, does the combination have 2 souls? When a plant is rooted to form a new plant, does the original plant's soul split between the two plants, or does the soul stay with the larger part of the original plant and a new soul get issued for the new part?
I sense a real growth industry in this new line of theology...
To: Salvation
Through love, the soul of an animal is incorporated to some degree in the soul of the person who loves it. As long as the person does not go out of existence, the pet’s soul does not. As God remembers us, He remembers us in our entirety, and, as George MacDonald said, “What God remembers ‘is’”.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:41:20 PM PDT
by
old3030
(I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
To: Salvation
Heaven is where we are too be fully happy. If that fullness means we need to see our pets we will see them.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:41:44 PM PDT
by
lastchance
("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
To: Salvation
Well, no. But in our future perfected selves, all our desires will be perfectly in harmony with His purposes. If one of those desires turns out to be that you wish to have a pet by your side, I believe he would answer that particular request in the positive.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:41:50 PM PDT
by
arderkrag
(Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
To: Salvation
OK. Here’s come quick thoughts:
If Revelation is an accurate portrayal of the future, then it would seem to indicate that there are animals in heaven since Jesus will return riding a white horse.
If things which do not have souls will not be in heaven, then creation is going to be disappointed since scripture says it is awaiting its liberation in Romans 8:19-21:
“The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.”
Are animals part of God’s creation? Yes.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:42:26 PM PDT
by
ZGuy
To: Joe 6-pack
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:42:26 PM PDT
by
Grunthor
(RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
To: Salvation
Animals can't be "saved" so they will not be in heaven. Well, the lion is going to lay down with the lamb somewhere. And Jesus comes back on a horse with a cavalry riding behind Him. Horse lovers will be happy.
Whether any specific pet will be there is anyone's guess, but if the Lord is going to restore creation to it's pre-sin state, there were animals before people.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:43:08 PM PDT
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: Yorlik803
**for believing in GOD.**
I can believe in God, and disobey the commandments or be mean to my kids or neighbor.
How about
Love God with your whole strength, your whole heart, your whole mind and your whole body.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
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posted on
05/18/2011 2:43:47 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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