[Cronos]

Hobbes made quite a few errors of his own...not the least the social contract theory that I see as leading to the rise of Marx's ideas (have you read Das Kapital -- surprisingly good read, but I deviate)

I disagree with Hobbes's political points - his elevation of the state to "mortal godhood" gives moral reasoning to kleptocracies

My own views are libertarian. Hobbes disregards the morals of the free market

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Free market = so long as someone is willing to pay, there is always someone willing to collect...

[danielmryan]

Hobbes made quite a few errors of his own...not the least the social contract theory that I see as leading to the rise of Marx's ideas (have you read Das Kapital -- surprisingly good read, but I deviate)

I disagree with Hobbes's political points - his elevation of the state to "mortal godhood" gives moral reasoning to kleptocracies.

I see the similarity between Marx and Hobbes myself. There's nothing in those snippets from Hobbes except take-it-or-leave-it claims attached to the kind of cynical motive-guessing that Marxists are fond of.

Hobbes had a motive of his own: he was eager to disparage any authority that could be held over the head of the King.