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Choking and Pleading for Water as He Dies... This Has Been a Happy Event
The Sun (UK) ^ | Lucy Connolly

Posted on 06/12/2011 6:18:09 AM PDT by marshmallow

Fury at suicide on BBC

A DESPERATELY ill man will be shown on TV choking and begging for water before he dies in a suicide clinic.

The harrowing scenes to be screened by BBC2 on Monday are set to spark outrage.

Millionaire hotelier Peter Smedley, 71, was filmed swallowing a lethal dose of the barbiturate Nembutal - helped down with a praline chocolate.

He gasps for breath. Within a minute his face turns red and he chokes as he pleads for water.

The documentary Choosing To Die shows an "escort" at the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland holding on to Peter as he convulses on a sofa.

His wife of 40 years, Christine, 60, holds his shaking hand.

The staff member tells the camera: "He is losing consciousness, very soon the breathing will stop and then the heart."

After motor neurone disease sufferer Peter dies the Dignitas worker tells Christine she can cry and "let it all out".

Author Sir Terry Pratchett, who made the programme, says to a background of haunting pipe music: "This has been a happy event.

"He died peacefully, more or less in the arms of his wife, quietly."

Sir Terry, an Alzheimer's sufferer and supporter of euthanasia, tells clinic staff he was "impressed".

The camera cuts to snow falling outside the corrugated iron Dignitas house on an industrial estate.

But campaigners Care Not Killing attacked the BBC for its "one-sided" programme.

(Excerpt) Read more at thesun.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; bbc; choosingtodie; cultureofdeath; dignitas; documentary; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; murder; switzerland; terrypratchett; uk
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News from the "culture of death", now flourishing gloriously in Europe..............
1 posted on 06/12/2011 6:18:11 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
They have found hundreds of cremation urns in the river running through Zurich.

Some dignity.

2 posted on 06/12/2011 6:22:46 AM PDT by AU72
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To: marshmallow
..."All those who hate me love death.” (Proverbs 8:36)
3 posted on 06/12/2011 6:24:48 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Kervokian said the worst day of his life was the day he was born.


4 posted on 06/12/2011 6:26:47 AM PDT by AU72
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To: marshmallow

I remember movies showing a society that watching people dying as a form of entertainment. I remember thinking how depraved that society had become....

I never thought at that time I would eventually live in a world that would find death so entertaining......

sad times


5 posted on 06/12/2011 6:29:17 AM PDT by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: AU72
Well, he doesn't have to worry about it anymore, does he?

I'd be willing to bet that right now he'd give anything to be alive again for just five minutes.

6 posted on 06/12/2011 6:29:55 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: marshmallow
Millionaire hotelier Peter Smedley, 71, was filmed swallowing a lethal dose of the barbiturate Nembutal - helped down with a praline chocolate.

He gasps for breath. Within a minute his face turns red and he chokes as he pleads for water.

...

"He died peacefully, more or less in the arms of his wife, quietly."

Interesting definition of dying at peace. Not that I think that people should ever consider suicide under any circumstances, but there are far more quicker, and hence, less painful methods of ending one's own life.

7 posted on 06/12/2011 6:31:26 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

doesn’t sound all that “dignified” either.

Shame on Switzerland for allowing this stuff !


8 posted on 06/12/2011 6:34:41 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (the Liberal Party of Canada, gradually earning its just reward)
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To: marshmallow

I know there have been some horrid ages in the history of humanity.

But I can’t help but wonder if this is the absolute most death-glorifying culture and immoral of all the ages.

Not so much for the numbers and degrees of murders (such as the 110 million committed during the 20th century to try to make Marxism work) but the purely evil propaganda that those in the state-run media push in order to try to make the murderous State appear benevolent.


9 posted on 06/12/2011 6:35:00 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marshmallow

Looks like a government with a broke health care system preparing their citizens for cost savings measures. So do your patriotic duty and DIE QUICKLY!


10 posted on 06/12/2011 6:37:20 AM PDT by born2bfree
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To: pnh102

Meanwhile, his “loving” wife and their “loving” children who allowed him to do this (put him up to it?) will soon inherit his millions.....


11 posted on 06/12/2011 6:38:23 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: pnh102

Not only quicker and less painful...there are far less public way to kill yourself.

He was a millionaire. He could have hired a boat, headed out to the middle of the Atlantic, tied some weights to his legs and gone overboard...without a single camera rolling.

This “Happy Event” was less about the suicide and more about the publication of a homicide, that is, an attack on those who believe in the value of life and how our purpose is to preserve and improve life as much as possible, because that is God’s law.

Just as homosexuality is less about homosexual sex and relations and far more about pushing the homosexual agenda, that is, an attack on the definition of the family and the purpose and rules of sexuality, which are also God’s laws.


12 posted on 06/12/2011 6:39:10 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: pnh102

“there are far more quicker, and hence, less painful methods of ending one’s own life.”
_____________________________________________________

Not to mention, he probably paid a small fortune to Dr. Death, when that money could have gone to charity.

How about just closing the garage and let the motor run.
Many die that way, usually unintentionally, but it is quite cheap.


13 posted on 06/12/2011 6:39:31 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: born2bfree

Don’t laugh.

The econazis are already trying to use the propaganda that it is “patriotic” for families to have only two children.

Yep. “Patriotic” because it is for the good of your country to destroy the traditional American demographics because it is good for the environment.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 6:40:51 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Not only quicker and less painful...there are far less public way to kill yourself.

Well, maybe when more people see how "dignified" this death was, it may get others to reconsider this approach.

15 posted on 06/12/2011 6:42:29 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: AlexW

“How about just closing the garage and let the motor run.
Many die that way, usually unintentionally, but it is quite cheap.”

This is NOT a good idea. Firstly, you might not kill yourself, you might be rescued, and instead wind up a vegetable and be a burden to others for many years.

SUPPOSEDLY, the newest cars emit so little carbon monoxide that this won’t work at all!

BASICALLY, DO NOT DO THIS.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 6:46:31 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: pnh102

Sorry for any confusion. I wasn’t commenting on the approach. The approach is not relevant. I was commenting on the broadcasting of this event.

I was commenting that the purpose of this event is to brainwash society into accepting that it is “humane” and for the “public good” to kill yourself (or to kill a family member) when the state deems you are no longer an asset but a liability, or when the new Moralists deem your life is not worth living.


17 posted on 06/12/2011 6:49:08 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marshmallow

Assisted suicide is murder, this is disgusting. How many little old ladies and men who’s heirs talk them into this because they have become feeble and ill, which makes for a very vulnerable person. It would be very beneficial to a person/s that are going to inherit the wealth to do something like this.


18 posted on 06/12/2011 6:50:49 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: marshmallow; Elendur; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; Bed_Zeppelin; YellowRoseofTx; Rashputin; ...
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19 posted on 06/12/2011 6:52:11 AM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

There is answers to everything in the bible. It always amazes me.


20 posted on 06/12/2011 6:52:52 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
The approach is not relevant. I was commenting on the broadcasting of this event.

Well you do bring up another point. Suicide really is the ultimate form of vanity and selfishness. This person wanted it broadcast because he wanted to show everyone just how this is supposed to be done. In a very ironic sense, he got exactly that for which he asked.

I was commenting that the purpose of this event is to brainwash society into accepting that it is “humane” and for the “public good” to kill yourself (or to kill a family member) when the state deems you are no longer an asset but a liability, or when the new Moralists deem your life is not worth living.

I cannot find enough ways to "amen" what you said. And this is how it always starts... someone, as a sick person, has a "right" to die with "dignity" by their own hand. Then it it becomes an "assisted" "suicide" with the help of someone else. Soon it morphs into a "duty to die" because such people are "burdens" on society. Then of course it becomes wanton murder of "undesirables."

21 posted on 06/12/2011 6:53:12 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: marshmallow

Christ should make all calls on life and death. If we beat Him to the punch, they’ll be hell to pay. Sad, ugly story, but typical of the selfish.


22 posted on 06/12/2011 6:54:02 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: AU72

My guess is, he’s not saying that now. If he think’s living on earth is bad, just die without Christ. It’ll make anything going on here, look like a walk in the park.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 6:54:27 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: AU72

He is rethinking that now.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 6:55:37 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: MsLady
There is answers to everything in the bible. It always amazes me.

I hope to some day get to the phase where it "amazes" me too... right now when I find the answers during my readings, I have more of a jaw-dropping holy-*#@$%*&@ type of a reaction to it.

I am sure God gets that a lot though. :)

25 posted on 06/12/2011 6:55:45 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Few words - Much truth.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: The Antiyuppie

“BASICALLY, DO NOT DO THIS.”
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Look, I have no intention of doing this, but I did have a family friend that did it back in the 60s.
I mentioned it as one cheap and common way that people did/do it.

Anyway, there are any number of ways to kill one’s self
very quickly and easily, without paying big bucks to a clinic.
Give the money to a charity, then go jump off a bridge.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 6:58:20 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: pnh102

even a dog gets two shots when euthanized, to make the passing peaceful


28 posted on 06/12/2011 6:58:57 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Show these types of things often enough and with enough flare and pretty soon the masses will think nothing of it. This is what happens to people who live without knowing God. Without love, without hope, and it's right there in front of them, but, they choose death instead. How utterly sad, sick and pitiful.

Worth repeating: Proverbs 8:36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

29 posted on 06/12/2011 7:00:51 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: marshmallow

it won’t be long before it becomes common here. It is already here.


30 posted on 06/12/2011 7:02:03 AM PDT by sport
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To: AlexW

“but it is quite cheap.”

Not at today’s gas prices. /s


31 posted on 06/12/2011 7:11:30 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: AlexW

“How about just closing the garage and let the motor run.
Many die that way, usually unintentionally, but it is quite cheap.”

What do you do if you have a Prius? The battery will die before the owner does.


32 posted on 06/12/2011 7:17:05 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: MsLady
There is answers to everything in the bible.

Except grammar.


33 posted on 06/12/2011 7:22:31 AM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: pnh102

I get the same jaw-dropping eye popping too. I have read the bible for years, decades really, and completely from cover to cover about a dozen times. I still find things all the time that I didn’t know was there before or didn’t remember. Or I’ll read a verse and suddenly I’ll get it, like a light bulb going on. I’m sure God does get that a lot and I’m sure He gets a big chuckle of great joy out of it.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 7:24:01 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady

“Without Hope”

And to emphasize your reference, it is another disturbing trend of modern society that so many Americans put their “Hope” not only in a human being, but in a human being that had a track record of despising this country and its people and who had no evidence of being able to accomplish anything that was not handed to him...that so many put their “hope” in mankind rather putting their “faith” in God.

It is further evidence of how our state-run education system has so dumbed-down the populace that the secular humanists (who are anti-God and anti-religion) were able to demonize the term “faith” and then adopt one that is its very cousin (hope) and make that marketable, while it was essentially trying to sell the same thing, albeit not as directed to The Lord but to someone who is little more than a feudal lord.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 7:28:48 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marshmallow

They made a huge mistake by allowing it to be videoed and shown on television.

The US Army long ago learned that there was *no* way for any photographs of dead people, friendly or enemy, to be aired without it having a negative effect on how people viewed the army.

So much so that the Quartermaster Corps, which is in charge of body recovery, has become masterful at clearing dead bodies from the sites of major battles before the press can take pictures. That is also why there was a strict prohibition on depicting flag draped coffins returning from the war in Iraq.

Remember the traumatic scene in the movie Saving Private Ryan, where a German soldier has pushed a knife into the chest of an American soldier, and is “shushing” him as he struggles to live while being killed?

This is what many in the public will see as this television show about euthanasia is aired.

While the pro-death types see it as beautiful and wonderful and peaceful, those thoughts exist only in their murderous minds. The typical normal person will be horrified.


36 posted on 06/12/2011 7:46:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kimmers

***I remember movies showing a society that watching people dying as a form of entertainment.***

remember the videos FACES OF DEATH from years ago?


37 posted on 06/12/2011 7:47:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“But I can’t help but wonder if this is the absolute most death-glorifying culture and immoral of all the ages.”

Not even close.

Lots of societies in history much worse than ours.

Why do so many people on FR like to pile on when it comes to cultural issues? As if making it sound worse than it really is will make it bette?


38 posted on 06/12/2011 7:48:47 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: marshmallow
I don't share Terry Pratchett's opinion - and I don't think most viewers of this will either. If this is "one-sided" programming (and without seeing it I don't know) it might turn out to be a spectacular "own goal" for the euthenasia lobby, much like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3gd2FulwY

was for the global warming eco warrior gang.

39 posted on 06/12/2011 7:49:33 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: mlizzy

Couldn’t have said it better. He’ll regret that for eternity, I suspect. Suicide is awful, through and through.


40 posted on 06/12/2011 7:51:24 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: wagglebee

Prayer for Those Who Are Terminally Ill

 
Lord Jesus, you healed so many people during your public ministry. I bring before you now, in prayer, all those who are terminally ill -- those afflicted with cancer, AIDS, and other illnesses.
 
Look lovingly and compassionately upon them. Let them feel the strength of your consolation. Help them and their families to accept this cross they are asked to carry.  Protect them from euthanasia, Lord.
 
Let them see you carrying their cross with them, at their side, as you once carried yours to Calvary. May Mary be there, too, to comfort them. 
 
Lord Jesus, I know and believe that, if it is your will, you can cure those I pray for (especially N.). I place my trust in you. I pray with faith, but I also pray as you did in Gethsemane: your will be done. 
 
Bless us, Lord, and hear my prayer. Amen.
 
Reprinted from "Queen of Apostles Prayerbook" with permission of copyright holder, Pauline Books & Media,

41 posted on 06/12/2011 7:52:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I know there have been some horrid ages in the history of humanity.

But I can’t help but wonder if this is the absolute most death-glorifying culture and immoral of all the ages.

You may be onto something.

There have been other, older, more overtly violent cultures--the Romans, for whom the most grisly executions and disembowellings were set up as crowd-pleasing public attractions--and certain other cultures for which war in itself, not so much for whatever supposed good was to be achieved by it, was the end.

But the "attraction" of death (so to speak)came precisely from its being horrific and (in a sense) a novelty. It was outrageous and bloody and disgusting, of course--but that was why people went to see it, for the same reason that any fifth-rate movie studio can be sure of at least a meager income by releasing a slasher or splatter film to draw in the sorts of people who are amused by the artificial massacre of teenaged fornicators and jerks ("Hah! They deserved it! So that makes my enjoyment of it okay! I am justified in my contempt of them and their spurious values! Punish 'em some more!"--and so forth). This is (to put it mildly) both aesthetically and ethically repugnant--but it derives its visceral appeal from the fact that we do indeed find the things we see horrific. This is not exactly an appeal to the noblest elements of human nature, but it has its roots in the natural repugnance we have for violence, blood-letting and death. It is an abuse of a healthier element of human psychology.

But the kind of thing presented in the above-mentioned film is a new, and more contemptible, variety of horror. It is, in a sense, an execution upon a public altar, a sacrifice performed to a sociological doctrine, the obvious horror washed away by the morally-deficient prat who has to try to convince us that this is a "beautiful" thing--and to no effect, as anybody with a healthy set of human emotional reactions can see for himself that what he has just witnessed is essentially the state-sponsored suicide of a man whose choice has earned him agony, excused by the idea that the man chose it himself, "choice" now having become the all-excusing and validating (and sanctifying) principle of any and all actions (so long as they are state-approved and validated, and can save a few bucks in its health-"care" system--you know, "the triumph of the will."

What was (from the point of view of Hell) wrong with the Nazis was the fact that they were so over-the-top obviously evil--all that lock-step goose-step jack-bootery, and the evil-looking uniforms, and the death-processing centers, and the world-domination rhetoric worthy of a comic-book villain: any quasi-enlightened nation with even a vague memory of Judaeo-Christian (or, shoot, even the nobler elements of pagan) virtue would recognize it for what it was: it looked and smelled evil, and of course had to be resisted and destroyed.

The real triumph of Hell will come when it can convince its victims that the deaths and indignities and personal violations it has planned for them are actually their "rights," and watch with delight as their victims march proudly to the gas-chambers and the scaffolds and firing squads set up for them, having been taught to choose these horrors for themselves, and to become willing participants in their own slaughter, which is the final indignity, the cherry on top of the repugnant dessert that Hell will consume happily, the little aftertaste of a despair that came too late which adds to the tang of the dish--though they will, of course, have a maitre d', snappily dressed in the deepest black, and with only the barest suggestion of horns under the hair, standing nearby to tell the dessert, as if goes down the gullet, what a happy dining experience it has provided for its consumers.

42 posted on 06/12/2011 7:54:08 AM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

It is called the Dover Effect - film footage of flag-draped coffins arriving at Dover.

It ALWAYS creates anti-war histaria, a’la Viet Nam.


43 posted on 06/12/2011 8:05:38 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: webstersII

As I said in my previous post, I know there were more brutal ages.

My point was that this present age is as brutal but it tries to cover it with the spin that what we are doing is actually more moral than far more moral ages.

Those previous ages knew they were brutal and glorified the brutality.

This age is as brutal but carries out its brutality under the guise of a moral mandate. And to me, that is far more evil.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 8:06:40 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Dunstan McShane

Well thought out and well written.


45 posted on 06/12/2011 8:08:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Dunstan McShane

You’ve stated my case in very good detail.

I replied with a far more abbreviated explanation to another comment in my post 44 before I read yours. Had I read yours, I would have simply pointed the other freeper to your reply.


46 posted on 06/12/2011 8:09:30 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marshmallow

The BBC has sunken to showing snuff flicks!


47 posted on 06/12/2011 8:29:16 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: All; marshmallow

Must be the “in thing” on UK television. Last week, another of their programs had an “assisted suicide” to end a long story arc for a quadriplegic character. In that tale, it was the mother and boyfriend helping out.


48 posted on 06/12/2011 8:34:38 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Kimmers

The humanist culture of death is “progressing.” It will come to be imposed on people socialists find economically unuseful. That is called eugenics.


49 posted on 06/12/2011 8:36:58 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: chuckee

“What do you do if you have a Prius?”
________________________________________

Well, in that case, you probably live in San Fransicko, so you try to jump the rails of the Golden Gate bridge, or fisherman’s wharf.


50 posted on 06/12/2011 8:39:53 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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