Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
Hmmmmmmmmmm does not your Bible include the first 5 books ? (that’s Torah and that is what was translated for the Library of Alexandria - the first 5 books 300BC for Ptolemy)
We were speaking of the fruits of Egypt and your claim that it was pagan or heretic. I said that there was a lot of worth out of the region including Augustine, etc, and as a side note that the Septuagint was commissioned there. Where can a sane person get from that my Bible does not contain the Torah?
Then stop defending posters who believe that the non divine Jesus was the bastard child of slut Mary and/or the rapist Holy Spirit, and start looking to the Church of Jesus Christ, created by Him and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
Not for a biblical marriage...All it is up to the point of consummation is an espousal...
1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Know ye not???
There's your marriage...And be careful you don't marry a harlot...
Ah, so you believe that God was a rapist or that Mary was a slut. Interesting.
The implication there is that Mary had intercourse with the Angel...Don't you realize how absurd that is...If they had intercourse, there was no virgin birth...
You guys come up with one absurdity after another...Don't you guys even think about what that religion tells you??? You just follow everything blindly???
You consider it??? HaHaHaHaHaHa...
Do you ever consider what God says about it...My God man, read some scripture and learn what God says...
One big load of unbiblical hogwash...
I do not know man"
That's not what Mary said...She said, Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Mary knew not a man, but her intention was to 'know' a man, and become his wife...And as the scriptures tell us, Mary eventually 'knew' Joseph...Believe God...
Let's see the post or admit you are lying...
Yes it absolutely is...It's a perversion of scripture and creates a pagan type of deity for Mary not to mention skews the idea of a Trinitarian God...
Mary was not the Mother of God, nor the Spouse of God...We need to leave it at that...
Let's see the post or admit you are lying...
We all know about where you stated that you do not believe what you believe. And did you not also state that Mary was a brother of Jesus? If Mary is a brother of Jesus, that makes you similar to the Mormons, who believe that Jesus is a lesser god, who was once a man and then grew up to become god.
The Protoevangelium is not Canon, yet it obviously seriously influenced the early Church.Yes, it did. It was obviously the source of the mischief that crept into the church and was anathemed by Popes. It certainly did not originate with the Church.
It serves no purpose, other than giving glory to Mary which Christ went out of his way NOT to do.
Pope Gelasius I, bishop of Rome 492–496, lists it among "The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognised by heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below a few which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by catholics:" - Gelasian Decree, Chapter 5
The Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written.That is simply an asertion without a basis. The church was totally silent about any Marian doctrine for centuries.
You could offer some proof for you assertion.
Hint:HaHaHaHaHaHa... does not constitute an argument. ;-)
I am utterly mystified by the groups that say that Mary was just another Jewish girl, and nobody special, and that Christ her Son was disrepectful to her (in spite of the proven mistranslation). They seem to view any honor given to Mary as “worship” — which makes me worry about them. After all, if that’s true, what kind of lame worship do they have for Christ?
It looks like all of the women criticizing Mary think they are “just as good as her,” and that any of them could be the Mother of God just like Mary was. Mary is an offense to them, even while they denigrate her importance and position as human mother of the Only Begotten Son of God Almighty.
It was really shocking the first time I saw that propaganda posted here on FR, I hadn’t thought anyone could be so hateful. Now it’s just sad, and I am sure that Mary will pray for the redemption of those who, through despising his mother, tear down the Savior.
Because the fact that God preserved Mary from all stain of original sin says more about who Christ Jesus, His Son, is, than about Mary.
interesting....but anyone can make up anything with solo interpretura
They say that Paul was Jesus's successor (Paul succeeded no one but Jesus..) and other things
It was really shocking the first time I saw that propaganda posted here on FR, I hadn’t thought anyone could be so hateful. Now it’s just sad, and I am sure that Mary will pray for the redemption of those who, through despising his mother, tear down the Savior.I think what your seeing are those who are zealous to follow the biblical prescription that ALL Glory belongs to God.Because the fact that God preserved Mary from all stain of original sin says more about who Christ Jesus, His Son, is, than about Mary.
Exodus 20:4-5 says, “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...” Notice that God is jealous when someone gives to another something that rightly belongs to Him.
In these verses, God is speaking of people making idols and bowing down and worshiping those idols instead of giving God the worship that belongs to Him alone. God is possessive of the worship and service that belong to Him. It is a sin (as God points out in this commandment) to worship or serve anything other than God. What He is jealous of belongs to Him; worship and service belong to Him alone, and are to be given to Him alone.
I am sure that NO ONE here hates Mary. We love Mary and respect her. She was the Virgin Chosen to bear the Christ, Our Savior. However, that is no reason to give her undue praise, for the scripture is silent in regards to the novel Marian dogma that crept into the church.
The first generations of Christians knew nothing about any of those things until gnostics and pagans began influencing the church. It is a matter of historical record.
Not sure how you can connect the honor given to Mary and the Love for the Savior. Refusing to believe false Myths about Mary is the responsibility of True believers. We Love the Savior because He first Loved us. The connection is illogical and unscriptural.
The Protoevangelium is not Canon, yet it obviously seriously influenced the early Church.
Many forgeries and works of fiction influenced the early Church, the middle Church, and the current Church.
Tell me who wrote 2 Peter ca. 150 AD and whether he was an eyewitness of Christ.
The Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written.
Your "infallible" source for the writing of 2 Peter in 150 AD is????????????
When did the "Church's belief" about the Perpetual Virginity, the Immaculate Conception, and the Bodily Assumption first become known?
I have included a few "When Was The Bible Written" timelines for your review. I agree that neither agrees completely with the other and, in any event, both are "best guesses". However, they establish general timelines with which you can compare your "...Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written."
Suffice to say I believe you are off, way off
I staated how I connected the honor due to Mary and my love for my Savior. If you have difficulty understanding me, that’s all right.
To me, Love is not a zero-sum game. Love is not “taken” from one and “given” to another — the love I have for my earthly father never reduced the love I had for my mother, or my siblings, or my husband. Love for my Savior never reduced the love I have for any of my earthly loved ones, either. The love I have for Christ Jesus, for my God, for the Spirit, none of that reduces the love I have for His mother, who is a wonderful example to me.
To restate that: Love is not finite: God IS Love, and His Love endures forever! There is no loss of my love for God if I love my children and grandchildren, love my brothers and sisters, love Christ’s mother. You may quote scripture to me and tell me I have to hate my father and mother, brothers and sisters, children and friends, and only love God, but I say that is a complete misreading.
Christ Jesus, my Lord and Savior, is paramount. I will die for my neighbor, I will die for my loved ones, I will die for my Lord Jesus. Remember, Christ also said, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13.
Understanding scripture is not something I do on a whim, I have read many translations of the Bible many times through and through in my life, prayed as I read, and I am still reading it. It does not get old, and there is a lot to learn each time, as any Christian knows.
More likely, however; that the "Legend of the 70" Septuagint is just that - - - a Legend!
For the fun of it I thought I'd provide a decidedly "anti" Septuagint link for your edification.
Then, for a fair and balanced presentation, an article from an approved Catholic source.
"lastly, the very language of the Septuagint Version betrays in places a rather imperfect knowledge both of Hebrew and of the topography of Palestine, and corresponds more closely with the vulgar idiom of Alexandria."
Catholic Encyclopedia - The Septuagint
Calm down Mark. You're coming across as a
man.Like I said, prove it or admit you are lying...Too late...You haven't been able to prove it...
Pity you have to resort to telling untruths but then you have nothing else to defend your position...
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