[dartuser]

What speculations?

The ones you yourself relegated to speculations ... that somehow now you insist are oral traditions.

[Rashputin]

OHhhh, your speculations, I see. Yes, you are speculating. I was wrong, though, about the Catholic view because I looked it up and the tradition was based on testimony, so, no speculation there. Sorry, I thought both sides were speculation but now I find otherwise and yes, I do insist they're based on testimony.

Sorry about that, I was uninformed and did at one point both sides of the matter were speculation. Thanks to the various funny posts here, though, I now know better and have even more respect for the way the Catholic church bases tradition on more than the idle speculation of those who read the Scriptures to suit themselves.

have a nice day