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1 posted on 06/25/2011 7:52:50 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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Although I went Catholic school for12 years I never believed any of this. I really tried, but it’s just not there for me.


2 posted on 06/25/2011 8:01:25 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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It looks to me like the Bible teaches that death is exactly that. Hence the constant emphasis on resurrection. When we die, our experience ceases. We don't know a thing until we are raised in the resurrection (which hasn't happened yet). (Blame Platonic philosophy for the soul that cannot really die.)

3 posted on 06/25/2011 8:02:15 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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This goes against the Bibles teaching about the “dead in Christ shall rise first”. Even Jesus taught death was like a sleep. Sorry, I’ll stick with the Bibles plain teaching rather than someones interpretation of how they would like for it to be.


4 posted on 06/25/2011 8:07:42 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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It's interesting that no one who was raised back to life in biblical times had any stories to tell about what happened to them while they were dead.

5 posted on 06/25/2011 8:08:15 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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My expectation is that at that point, I will start voting Democrat.


7 posted on 06/25/2011 8:14:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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Found this interesting.

“Notice the concern that has been asked about is spoken to directly by Paul. The concern, those who have died and are gone, so where are they. These Thessalonians were concerned about loved ones in Christ and their desire to see them again or if relationships ended at some point when death happens. Paul spoke the Lord's Word to this very issue. Paul heard the Spirit tell him that He didn't want His people ignorant nor feeling sad nor grieving outside of what is healthy and normal. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. As a side note, we have Jesus uniting the dead who are with Him with their bodies, we will soon see these are glorified bodies given, but the side note is important as there is much wrong teaching about those who die. Many have taught that when a Christian dies, they go to sleep and are unconscious of sorts in the grave (soul sleep), but Paul states clearly that Jesus brings these people with Him when He returns, people like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, people like David and Moses and Samuel, people like Paul and Peter and Timothy. Jesus brings those who died in Him and all those who were led to heaven in His ascension. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Jesus doesn't bring the dead in Christ with Him if He has them sleeping in death in some grave that has decayed bodies or worse yet DNA floating in the ocean because one was shark bait and process through the shark's digestive system. To be absent from the body (2 Corinthians 5:8) means that the soul is absent from the body, the body is dead in the ground or somewhere on the earth, but the soul is present with the Lord for all who died in Him.

Now ask yourself this, why does the Lord bring those who died in Him with Him at His coming? For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. This answers the question, but one needs to consider what the answer is. Those who alive are raptured, yet before they are raptured, those who are with Jesus have a union also, one that takes place with their soul and their new house for their soul. It is at this time that their soul is united with a body to house them, a temple of the Lord that will last eternity. Jesus brings the dead in Christ so that they may have a house to hold their souls in order that they may be a part of the bride and rule and reign with Him for the 1000 years. 1 Corinthians 15:35 ¶ But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? In the great resurrection Chapter, Paul details some very critical information, this is preached at that famous bunny holiday and usually no other time, but it is vital for our understanding because of the details. Paul restates an asked question from the unbelieving and skeptical about those who died in Christ, and their bodies. At the time of Jesus’ Parousia or coming, He unites those who died in Him with a body, a house to rule with Him. Paul answers this question of the skeptics! 1 Corinthians 15:36-40 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. It is from this passage that we get the common term, glorified bodies. At the coming or Parousia, those who died in Christ receive their glorified bodies. This is critical to answer who the dead in Christ are.”

http://www.tpwmi.com/deadinchrist.html

21 posted on 06/25/2011 8:35:06 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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Gotta run. Mrs. Genoa has my honey-do list ready.


25 posted on 06/25/2011 8:45:05 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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There is a real and true Be still exercise that even our military is using now which will get you onto the path to salvation unlike anything else. It is a free download and at fhu.com.


26 posted on 06/25/2011 8:46:10 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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Ping


30 posted on 06/25/2011 8:50:27 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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I guess biggest question you have to ask is that if we get a body at death, then what is resurrection of the dead at Christ’s return for?

Maybe its like twins at that point, they both exist?

32 posted on 06/25/2011 8:55:20 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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What Happens When You Die?

You either go to heaven to be with Jesus or you go to hell to wait for the White Throne Judgment and eternal damnation in the lake of fire.

39 posted on 06/25/2011 9:46:32 AM PDT by FreeMaine (America, please, please, please, unite and kick Maine out of the Union.)
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One of my favorite theological writers is Spiros Zohiades. He is an expert on ancient Greek, and he has written quite of few books going through the NT with emphasis on translation, and a lot of commentaries.

He wrote a book called “Life after death.” It’s very interesting, quite intricate. For instance, I did not understand the differences between hell and hadees.


50 posted on 06/25/2011 10:50:16 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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If you have not seen it, watch Season Two, Episode One of Through the Wormhole. It goes over some fascinating (THEORIES!) ideas of life after death.


51 posted on 06/25/2011 10:52:52 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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The first thing that happens is the government steals your estate. Since whether or not there’s an afterlife, and where in in you go, since the trip can’t be taxed, none of it really matters.


57 posted on 06/25/2011 1:24:40 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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We, on our present life, Knew that the stars were right. That if you are the first to go, You'll leave a sign to let me know, Tell me so. Please, carry the Lantern lights.
The Rolling Stones - "The Lantern". I've always thought this was about asking a friend to contact you after he dies. I've been waiting for my friends who were 'first to go' to contact me, but so far nothing.
62 posted on 06/25/2011 2:08:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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