[Cronos]

What does it mean when those openly violating Scripture are ordained?"

[Cronos]

This is sad. Reminds me of the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott saying that

• Satan has won his war of attrition against the one true Gospel in the OPC (113).
• and The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels (115).
• and The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ (118).

[faucetman]

One more reason why “organized religion” is many times a “bad” thing.

“MAN” making the rules. “MAN” telling us what “God” says. Man’s rules instead of God’s rules. What could go wrong with that?

[Dr. Scarpetta]

In May, church leaders ratified an amendment to their constitution that removes language, according to Tobin, that prohibited gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals, as well as all other unmarried sexually active men and women, from serving as ordained officers of the church.

Under the new rules, local church leaders will have more flexibility in determining each candidate's fitness for office, Tobin said. All other ordination standards stay the same.

I'm very curious to know how many young people are entering the seminary to be pastors in the Presbyterian Church USA.

The most offensive thing about this denomination is that the medical plan for pastors and their families gives them coverage for abortions.

[Dr. Scarpetta]

Presbyterians expect fewer full-time pastors

May 02, 2011

“More signs of tough times: Large majorities of Presbyterians expect that a decreasing number of their churches will be led by full-time pastors.

At present, fewer than half of the congregations in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) have a full-time, installed pastor—mainly because of financial hardship.

Instead, findings from the Novem­ber 2010 Presbyterian Panel survey say more churches will have to rely on supply pastors, lay pastors of various categories—or no formal pastoral leader at all, according to the Presbyterian News Service.”

http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2011-04/presbyterians-expect-fewer-full-time-pastors

[dangus]

Do they oil up first?

[A. Patriot]

At least one good thing that is happening is that many Presbyterian USA churches and members are leaving the denomination. Good sign, especially in the land of fruit and nuts.

They should check out the PCA Presbyterians.

[longtermmemmory]

there is no “little bit” on this issue. it is or is not going to follow the “rules”

there is no little bit adultery.

there is no little bit “other gods” exception for sexual fetishes.

[norge]

Fair Oaks Pres is a terrific church and Henry Wells, the former pastor, was as solid as can be. Don’t know Bottomly, but he obviously is in the same mold, as are the parishoners.