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True, the PCUSA etc. have deteriorated terribly doctrinally -- Dr. Scarpetta was talking about how they actually have a medical plan where the pastor's wife can get a paid abortion!! Horrifying

But the worry is that the PCUSA, UCC, PRC, RCNC etc. are 90% of the reformed movement. The splitting of the few doctrinally sound 10% to the PCA -- what did that accomplish? Purity with the accompanying loss of 90% of congregants?

Or was this actually an error where the devout, strongly believing, conservative Presbyterians left the PCUSA just when it needed these folks to stand up and shout and say "I ain't gonna let you make the Reformed movement the Gay Reformed movement -- if you want a Gay-Marriage "church", create a new religion of your own".

I see only grave dangers in the 10% of conservative folks leaving the 90% to the dogs so to speak -- this same thing is happening to those very congregations that left -- see the EPC has now voted to have women pastoresses -- how long before lesbian married pastoresses?

My gut feel is to stay and fight.

I grew up in the Presbyterian Church USA and left when I discovered that our contributions were going to a medical plan that included abortion coverage.

But the worry is that the PCUSA, UCC, PRC, RCNC etc. are 90% of the reformed movement. The splitting of the few doctrinally sound 10% to the PCA -- what did that accomplish? Purity with the accompanying loss of 90% of congregants?

I understand the fight or flight problem with apostate churches. 20 something years ago I had to make the same decision with the United Methodist church. I think my decision has been correct. It comes down to those denominations do not believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures or that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. They take the "cafeteria approach" to the Bible. They choose what they want to believe and ignore the rest. The UMC is even more liberal than when I left. Many of my friends are still there "fighting".

When the majority controls, it is extremely hard for the minority to make any headway. If the Word of God has no effect on them, yours or mine will not either. I could not support an apostate church with my presence, my efforts or my money.

With the Presbyterian churches, at least there is a 10% that is doctrinally sound. A Remnant. Without the split, there would be zero%.

I share your concern with the EPC. Creeping gradualism. Kind of like when people move from California to conservative Western states, they then demand the state change to be like the place they fled. (Cali-fornication) I fear that these new converts to the EPC will bring some of their liberal ways to the EPC. My late father-in-law was an EPC minister.