[OLD REGGIE]

Third, why do you think that Jesus says to Peter first, thou art Peter(rock, which we all agree)first and then says upon this rock I will build my church? It is clear in any reading of this passage that Jesus first calls Simon Rock, then says He will build His church upon this rock.

Clear to you but not to thhe Catholic Church. One of you is in error.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.

[Cronos]

typical unitarian response is to take something out of context, like the bible and then mould it to fit their philosophy

Why don't you, Old Reggie, explain to Cynical bear how a unitarian uses sola scriptura to prove that Jesus Christ is not God?

On what basis does a unitarian even consider scripture to BE scripture?

unitarians believe in the big ? in the sky

[Iscool]

Appears they don’t even believe their own catechism...

[Jvette]

As I find so often, non Catholics want to separate Peter and Peter’s faith, as if that is even possible.

Peter is named rock by God, who only changes the names of people that He has great plans for in His salvation of our souls. That faith that Peter had was a gift from God, Jesus says “Blessed are you because flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven.”

God gave to Peter the faith he would need to be strong in the face of the persecution and doubts that would come once Jesus was crucified, rose and ascended to heaven.

The passage you quote from the catechism does not contradict that Peter is the first leader of the church, given that charge by Jesus and the faith he would need by God.

So non Catholics can say the Rock is Jesus, the rock is Peter’s confession or whatever. The truth is that it is all of the above.

Jesus leads His church, through the Holy Spirit.