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To: dayglored
Hundreds of common phrases and words are found there

Actually, they are found in other translations as well

14 posted on 07/08/2011 9:12:59 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
> Actually, they are found in other translations as well

Well, generally, the modern-English translations have been scrubbed of the archaic usage ("thee", "Thou", "shalt"), older vocabulary, and often the phrase structure is rearranged. While this enhances the "readability" by most people, it not only removes the poetic sound and feel of the KJV, but it no longer reflects the idiomatic or cultural reference use, so a lot of common references go whizzing over the heads of the modern folks because they don't recognize them. I think that is a profound loss to the language and culture.

19 posted on 07/08/2011 9:39:55 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Cronos

I still prefer Tyndale’s. I read it to a youth Sunday School class a few months ago, and they didn’t realize it wasn’t a modern translation until I told them!

The KJV did two things wrong:

1 - It wanted to sound nobler to the tongue, so it was translated in a different style than the underlying Greek & Hebrew supports.

2 - It wanted to preserve a hierarchical church, so King James required them to use terms like ‘church’ and ‘bishop’ without regard for what the Greek said. As King James put it, “No Bishop, No King!”

From Tyndale, with modern spelling (and thou to you):

“Nicodemus said unto him: how can a man be born, when he is old? Can he enter into his mother’s body and be born again?

Jesus answered: verily, verily I say unto you: except that a man be born of water, and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh. And that which is born of the spirit, is spirit.

Marvel not that I said to you, ye must be born a new. The wind blows where he lists, and you hear his sound: but can not tell whence he comes and whither he goes. So is every man that is born of the spirit.

And Nicodemus answered and said unto him: how can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him: Are you a master in Israel, and know not these things? Verily verily, I say unto you, we speak that we know, and testify that we have seen: And ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things and ye have not believed: How should ye believe if I shall tell you of heavenly things?

And no man ascends up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, that is to say, the son of man which is in heaven.

And as Moses lift up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lift up, that none which believe in him perish: but have eternal life.

God so loved the world, that he gave his only son for the intent, that none that believe in him, should perish: But should have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world, to condemn the world: But that the world through him, might be saved. He that believes on him shall not be condemned. But he that believes not, is condemned all ready, because he believes not in the name of the only son of God.

And this is the condemnation: Light is come into the world, and the men have loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. For every man that evil does, hates the light: neither comes to light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth, comes to the light, that his deeds might be known, how that they are wrought in God.” - John 3


21 posted on 07/08/2011 9:44:07 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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