Posted on 07/08/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by delacoert
Are you of the opinion that a Mormon should never be elected President?
Yes, it is my opinion that an indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President of the United States of America. Indoctrinated temple Mormons (as Romney is) have experienced years of brainwashing and indoctrination and also have made covenants and oaths that they plainly cannot disobey.
Mitt Romney and all temple Mormons have sworn to obey The Law of Consecrationin the secret temple ceremonies which states "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at the altar, the you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in The Doctrine and Covenants (a Mormon book), in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, an everything with which the Lord has bless you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church), for the building up of the Kingdom of God on earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ex-Mormon Ed Decker reveals the penalty for disobedience that was made by Mitt Romney (and all temple Mormons) at the time he took out his temple endowments: The "execution of the penalty" for disobedience was demonstrated "by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side."
(Excerpt) Read more at inthearena.blogs.cnn.com ...
A Zion People - Book of Mormon Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZMgrRNIEg
Resty-your whole post is full of falsehood. We can agree you aren’t the Lord.
Hard Evidence for The Book of Mormon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A_37TXgbxk
The Book of Mormon vs. DNA Research
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIG8Aj5Vqdk&feature=related
Look. I’m going to be respectful and not get into what the Temple Ceremony (Endowment) demands of your allegiance because I realize that it is sacred to you. Even if I don’t believe, I respect your beliefs even though you are tossing around conclusory statements that would, typically, demand an examination of those beliefs. And it would cause us to engage in the specifics of the various aspects of the Temple Ceremony. As I say ... I will not do that out of respect.
But your comparison to me as a follower of Herod and, essentially, Mitt Romney as a latter-day Jesus Christ is utterly bizarre and misses the mark. And it only further solidifies my belief that I would vote for Roger Rabbit before I would vote for Mitt Romney.
"If I was the Lord"
... We agree you are not.
"and the day you had enough living under Babylon"
... Babylon is a historic place in Iraq that will rise again as a world power - not a metaphorical mormonic lifestyle.
"and came knocking on Zion door"
... I won't be knocking on Zion's door. Zion is a real historic place - the capital of Israel - and Christians will be
going to Heaven and not Zion.
"I would make you wait for a long time before letting you & the antis who daily verbally flog the LDS"
... Sure you would. Mormons have a false idea that you have to be "worthy" to go to Heaven. Nothing could be more
false. It is because of our total depravity that we needed Christ as our Savior.
"and by your very actions hinder building up the Kingdom of the Lord in preparations for His return."
... telling the truth about the mormon cult doesn't hinder the real Kingdom of God at all. It may (I hope)
hinder the building of the cultic mormonic kingdom. I can only hope and pray.
"But I am not the Lord"
... Agreed!
"and whatever he has in store for those like you is better than I could imagine!"
The only true thing you said!!!!
However, as it is written..."No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love himI Corinthians 2:9
“Hard Evidence for The Book of Mormon”
Whoa! Better fix that!
“IT’s Hard to find the first shred of Evidence for The Book of Mormon”
Think of how silly this video is Resty. The mormonic video author
CLAIMS that the “Nahom” in the Book of Mormon is the settlement
in the Holy Land. No real evidence, other than the coincidence
of the consonants NHM and then assumption they are Nahom.
Not surprisingly, non-mormon scholars (the real kind), think this
is just one more wild claim of mormonism.
-—> There is no evidence dating the settlement of NHM before A.D. 600, which makes it a huge stretch.
-—> No one knows how NHM is pronounced, which makes it pure speculation.
That “hard evidence” is as hard as a brown banana!
Godzilla, I’m pinging you to this based on your more indepth understanding of DNA.
If you have time, would you respond to this “hard evidence” of mormonic cultism?
thanks
ampu
PS - Resty, I defer to my br’er’s superior knowledge of DNA
Look. I’m going to be respectful and not get into what the Temple Ceremony (Endowment) demands of your allegiance because I realize that it is sacred to you. Even if I don’t believe, I respect your beliefs even though you are tossing around conclusory statements that would, typically, demand an examination of those beliefs. And it would cause us to engage in the specifics of the various aspects of the Temple Ceremony. As I say ... I will not do that out of respect.
But your comparison to me as a follower of Herod and, essentially, Mitt Romney as a latter-day Jesus Christ is utterly bizarre and misses the mark. And it only further solidifies my belief that I would vote for Roger Rabbit before I would vote for Mitt Romney
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Geez I wonder how some folks get out of bed in the morning
How did we get to Romney he is not all of the LDS
there are are many of us whom you are assuming have some kind of an allegiance to over throw the US
If you knew anything about the LDS and how they feel about this constitution that stupid kind of remark would not have been made.
The LDS believe this whole nation is divine providence it was the Lord who is the author of our constitution and our founding Father was able to receive inspiration.
My comparison to King Herod was he also had some crazy idea that the Lord kingdom was a worldly one!
Believe what you want the about the LDS
Those who can not be cordial towards another Christian faith or others religions show just what kind of Christian they really are and what little love they have towards their fellow man...
keep trying to demean the LDS a day will come if you are still alive when you will have to humble yourself to knock on ZION door or be subject to the world....
Enjoy your Reader’s Degest (abridge) version of the Word of the Lord
"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us [ The Apostles ] in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."2 Corinthians 11:12 –15
"Enjoy your Reader’s Degest (abridge) version of the Word of the Lord"
... Only a mormon (or other cult member) could describe the Holy Bible as a "Readers Digest version"
Yet even after that, after a life of trying to prove you are worthy and failing, Christ is ready now for you to turn from your useless works to His Grace and Love for salvation. Turn to Him.
It's not possible to demean the LDS.
I have no interest in knocking at ZION door.
I'd rather chat with St. Peter.
Amen, br'er MarkBsnr!
I was VERY VERY cordial. I didn’t attack “Mormonism” nor will I here. I respect your right to worship how you may.
My only point, and I stand by it 100%, is that the first obligation as promised in the Temple is to God and the Church and NOT to the united States. I just do not, and will not, talk about Temple specifics as I want to be respectful. Do not mistake my lack of specifics for lack of knowledge.
But putting Romney’s RINO record aside (which is HUGE), as a Mormon President his first allegiance will be to the Mormon Church. Of course that problem will rarely raise it’s head. But you can rest assured when push comes to shove, and Pres. Monson dictates what he wants, Romney will do it ... no questions asked. For a Mormon to Question the Prophet is to engage in heresy and to risk eternal salvation. That is an influence on our POTUS that I can not abide. I (and many of us) will vote Third Party if Romney somehow backs into the nomination.
A Mormon President his first allegiance will be to the Mormon Church.
Of course that problem will rarely raise it’s head.
But you can rest assured when push comes to shove, and Pres. Monson dictates what he wants, the LDS president will do it ... no questions asked.
For a Mormon to Question the Prophet is to engage in heresy and to risk eternal salvation.
That is an influence on our POTUS that I can not abide.
I (and many of us) will vote Third Party if Romney somehow backs into the nomination.
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and what is it that Pres Monsson wants because I have no clue and you seem to know?
I do know we do believe as stated in our Articles of Faith...
excertps
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.~ Joseph Smith.
WOW! How vengeful does THAT sound?? We know that you appear to actually believe that you mormons will have a say in who joins God in His Heavenly Kingdom!
“Chapter 45: The Millennium,” Gospel Principles, (2009),263–67 • Who will be on the earth during the Millennium? A thousand years of peace, love, and joy will begin on the earth at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. This thousand-year period is called the Millennium. The scriptures and the prophets help us understand what it will be like to live on the earth during the Millennium. For teachers: The subject of the Millennium sometimes leads people to speculate about ideas that are not found in the scriptures or the teachings of latter-day prophets. As you guide this lesson, be careful to avoid such speculation. Because of the destruction of the wicked at the Savior’s Second Coming, only righteous people will live on the earth at the beginning of the Millennium. They will be those who have lived virtuous and honest lives. These people will inherit either the terrestrial or celestial kingdom. During the Millennium, mortals will still live on earth, and they will continue to have children as we do now (see D&C 45:58). Joseph Smith said that immortal beings will frequently visit the earth. These resurrected beings will help with the government and other work. (See Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 268.) People will still have their agency, and for a time many will be free to continue with their religions and ideas. Eventually everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is the Savior. During the Millennium, Jesus will “reign personally upon the earth” (Articles of Faith 1:10). Joseph Smith explained that Jesus will “reign over the Saints and come down and instruct” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 258). • What are the two great works that will be done during the Millennium? There will be two great works for members of the Church during the Millennium: temple work and missionary work. Temple work involves the ordinances that are necessary for exaltation. These include baptism, the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the temple ordinances—the endowment, temple marriage, and the sealing together of family units. Many people have died without receiving these ordinances. People on the earth must perform these ordinances for them. This work is now being done in the temples of the Lord. There is too much work to finish before the Millennium begins, so it will be completed during that time. Resurrected beings will help us correct the mistakes we have made in doing research concerning our dead ancestors. They will also help us find the information we need to complete our records. (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:167, 251–52.) The other great work during the Millennium will be missionary work. The gospel will be taught with great power to all people. Eventually there will be no need to teach others the first principles of the gospel because “they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord” (Jeremiah 31:34). • How can we prepare now for work in the Millennium? • In what ways will life during the Millennium be different from life on the earth now? The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that during the Millennium, “the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory” (Articles of Faith 1:10). During the Millennium, Satan will be bound. This means he will not have power to tempt those who are living at that time (see D&C 101:28). The “children shall grow up without sin unto salvation” (D&C 45:58). “Because of the righteousness of [the Lord’s] people, Satan has no power; wherefore, he cannot be loosed for the space of many years; for he hath no power over the hearts of the people, for they dwell in righteousness, and the Holy One of Israel reigneth” (1 Nephi 22:26). During the Millennium, there will be no war. People will live in peace and harmony together. Things that have been used for war will be turned to useful purposes. “They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4; see also Isaiah 11:6–7; D&C 101:26). President John Taylor taught: “The Lord will be king over all the earth, and all mankind literally under his sovereignty, and every nation under the heavens will have to acknowledge his authority, and bow to his scepter. Those who serve him in righteousness will have communications with God, and with Jesus; will have the ministering of angels, and will know the past, the present, and the future; and other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225). During the Millennium, there will be no death as we know it. When people have lived to an old age, they will not die and be buried. Instead, they will be changed from their mortal condition to an immortal condition in “the twinkling of an eye.” (See D&C 63:51; 101:29–31.) Some truths have not been revealed to us. All things will be revealed during the Millennium. The Lord said He will “reveal all things—things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof—things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven” (D&C 101:32–34). In many ways, life will be much as it is now, except that everything will be done in righteousness. People will eat and drink and will wear clothing. (See Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 333.) People will continue to plant and harvest crops and build houses (see Isaiah 65:21). • What are your thoughts and feelings about the conditions that will exist during the Millennium? • What will be the final destiny of the earth? At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan will be set free for a short time. Some people will turn away from Heavenly Father. Satan will gather his armies, and Michael (Adam) will gather the hosts of heaven. In this great struggle, Satan and his followers will be cast out forever. The earth will be changed into a celestial kingdom. (See D&C 29:22–29; 88:17–20, 110–15.) • Zechariah 14:4–9; 1 Nephi 22:24–25 (Jesus to reign on earth) • Daniel 7:27 (Saints to be given the kingdom) • D&C 88:87–110 (conditions during the Millennium) • Revelation 20:1–3; 1 Nephi 22:26 (Satan to be bound) • D&C 101:22–31 (enmity to cease; no death; Satan to have no power to tempt) • Isaiah 11:1–9 (wolf and lamb to dwell together) • D&C 43:31; Revelation 20:7–10 (Satan loosed for a little season)People on the Earth during the Millennium
The Work of the Church during the Millennium
Conditions during the Millennium
Satan Bound
Peace on the Earth
Righteous Government
No Death
All Things Revealed
Other Millennial Activities
One Final Struggle after the Millennium
Additional Scriptures
I don’t know where the red text came from...sorry.
... all created things that became gods later - and you can become a mormon god too!!! Eat your peas!
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
... Cultic interpretation of the Bible. No need to say more.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
... Ah, now we get into works of righteousness that denies the free gift of the Gospel of Grace.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
... All disavowed and made meaningless by the false idols of mormonism, the false gospel of mormonism, and the false righteousness of mormonism.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
... but no one else should follow their conscience when it comes to voting for a mormonic candidate for office like Willard Romney.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
... Just not the One True Eternal God. Him we set aside to be subject to our mormonic gods. We've got millions of them.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.~ Joseph Smith.
... We do it all to pursue our own righteousness and worthiness by works - all the time missing the glorious news of the Gospel of Grace.
Many of the founding fathers were Masons which are practically identical to Mormons. We are stuck with a Kenyan Muslum who clearly hates everything this country is about.
But I am not the Lord and whatever he has in store for those like you is better than I could imagine!
It's so refreshing to see forgiveness in action.
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