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Texas Fossil WROTE: -

‘Because someone states something in a book and releases a video on the web Does Not make it fact.’

‘Like relying on “Fact Check” hee hee hee’

‘I know they never convince anyone on this forum to agree with them, unless they already are of that mindset. So, I suspect the only purpose they serve here is to divide us in the effort of opposing the Lefties who want to enslave us.’

‘Total Nonsense.’

‘It is not and never has been an accepted practice....’

‘This whole line of discussion is absolute nonsense.’

‘I think those who post this type of dribble only do it to excite discussion. If they choose their normal topic of discussion everyone avoids it. So they resort to stirring the pot.’

‘Careful what you imply when you criticize other organizations.’

‘You seem to think that a single unapproved event in the early 1700’s reflects the norms of a group you dislike.’

‘You have no first hand knowledge of the subject you hammer. You make all kinds of unsubstantiated accusations about the motive and character of those you criticize and expect everyone to adopt your view. It will not happen.’

Vendome WROTE:

‘I was agreeing with you and discounting Bronxville’s assertion.’

‘People like this and Topher like to cite anomalous incidents, dubious sources and total outright fruads (sic) and claim them as facts or proof a concept exists.’

‘(hmmm...that didn’t come out well. Oh well...)’

‘Wait!......Are we a secret organization with secrets? /s’

‘I do not recognize her as a Mason as her entire experience was born of fraud and further revelation of arts, parts, etc.’

‘It is a malpractice for it to have occurred and against Free Masonry by laws of any lodge laws and by laws.’

‘They have been “programmed” to believe only what they are told. Never question “authority’.

bronxville WROTE on FreeMason Elizabeth St. Leger-Aldworth

Mrs. Elizabeth Aldworth 1693 - 1775

Elizabeth Aldworth, known as ‘The Lady Freemason’. Born The Hon. Elizabeth St. Leger, daughter of Lord Doneraile of Doneraile Court, in 1693 and married in 1713 to Richard Aldworth, Esq.

From a narrative published by the family in 1811 it appears that, upon secretly observing the first two degrees of a lodge at labour in her father’s home, she was discovered and, after discussion, initiated in the Entered Apprentice and Fellowcraft Degree.

The initiation was in 1712 to Lodge No44 at Doneraile Court.
http://www.freemasoncollection.com/3-PORTRAITS-OF-FAMOUS-MASONS/aldworth-elisabeth-saint-leger-portraits-of-famous-masons.php

‘THE MAIN FACT OF HER BEING MADE A MASON REMAINS UNDISPUTED’....
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/aldworth.html

A COPY OF HER INITIATION...
http://www.genealogy.com/users/s/t/l/Rosemary-Stlegermay/PHOTO/0022photo.html

THE FAMILY BLUEBLOOD LINEAGE...
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/AnthonyStLeger1.htm

MASONIC REGALIA AT THE CORK MUSEUM...
http://www.munsterfreemason.com/The_Lady_Freemason.htm
http://www.munsterfreemason.com/Photo_Library.htm
Your refusal to accept reality does not alter reality.

Your refusal to accept reality does not alter reality. The banning of women only holds for Anderson’s Constitutions (the so-called Enlightenment period, a period when inversions were first notably initiated) as there’s no such explicit ban against women in the Old Charges.

FreeMasonry history acknowledges Elizabeth St. Leger as a FreeMason - that you personally don’t is of little consequence.

I can also backup my comments in post #89 from Masonic writings, Historical writings, and pedigree. When I get time I’ll also defend that vilified post.

Meanwhile...

A letter from George Washington, Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798 - To Reverend G. W. Snyder:

...’It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.’.... http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi36.xml&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=388&division=div1