Dramatic Changes in Music Rubrics for New Missal

Chant Cafe ^ | 7/8/11 | Jeffrey A Tucker

[Biggirl]

“which is entrance chant.”

Correct that, the Taize chant invoking the Holy Spirit was done just before the Gospel was read.

[Tax-chick]

I refuse to stop singing it and sing all the words along with the cantor; but people look at me funny.

Many people in my parish sing all of the Gloria. (In the Spanish service, we have the complete words for the arrangement we're using on the song-sheet handout.)

At English Masses, you can often tell who the visitors are because they turn around to stare at those singing all the Mass parts, or harmonies to the hymns. Phooey, I say.

[Tax-chick]

A longer piece sung before the Gospel is called the Sequence, and there are beautiful ones for the major holidays.

[Biggirl]

The Sequence, for Pentecost, and the name of the Taize chant is called: “Veni Sancte Spiritus”.

[Tax-chick]

Yes, it was done in my parish in San Antonio.

[netmilsmom]

We sing this...

GLORIA in excelsis Deo et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis.
LAUDAMUS te, benedicimus te, adoramus te, glorificamus te, gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam, Domine Deus, Rex caelestis, Deus Pater omnipotens.

DOMINE Fili unigenite, Jesu Christe, Domine Deus, Agnus Dei, Filius Patris, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis; qui tollis peccata mundi, suscipe deprecationem nostram. Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris, miserere nobis. O Dominus, tu solus Altissimus, Jesu Christe, cum Sancto Spiritu in gloria Dei Patris. Amen

Get a couple of people around you to sing it.
Drown the cantor out. The words sound like they are written and if you need to learn it, they have it on YouTube or I can have my girls record it for you.

This is the time to take back our Liturgy.

[netmilsmom]

LOL!!
You should see the looks on the visitors faces when we do the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Creed and the Sanctus in the respective liturgical languages and no one picks up a guide.

Or when we all break into the Prayer to St. Michael after the final blessing.

[markomalley]

Also with the adult choir that I am a part of, for Pentecost, did a beautiful chant from the Taize, which is entrance chant.

I personally would feel uncomfortable singing chants from non-Catholic sources (you do know that the founder of Taizé, Br. Roger, was a Protestant, right?)

[BelegStrongbow]

So, no Bach, right?

[BelegStrongbow]

I attended a Roman mass yesterday. The music could qualify as substandard Broadway musical, including the pieces intended as chant. Not one speck of liturgical dignity.

The congregation sang loud. Seems they like it.

[markomalley]

I would feel more comfortable with Mozart.

[BelegStrongbow]

His Requiem is truly great, but Bach wrote the St. Matthew Passion. Trying to decide which is better seems futile to me.

[Desdemona]

I have to make it through the end of the thread, but what I'm seeing here in the GIRM isn't so much "go away crappy music" as "There are proscribed antiphons with psalms and verses for the Introit, Offertory and Communion and these are to be done." You can still set those words to crappy music, but they need to be included in the Mass. If we, the choir of one of the great cathedrals of the world, hadn't started doing them when our new music director came, I wouldn't know all that. They were all but dropped and, frankly, they make the whole thing make more sense.

A word on chant - not all chant is made the same. There's the classic chant that we know as Gregorian and some specific chants that really are somewhat hymn-like. There's Anglican, Ambrosian and some from other rites that all have minor differences. Some are easier to sing than others. Learning to sing chant is not as easy as it sounds for people who sing as a hobby. There is a specific technique to it.

That being said, I am glad to see this and am somewhat surprised that the writer of the article missed a line in the Communion discussion 1) the antiphon from the Missal or the antiphon with its Psalm from the Graduale Romanum, as set to music there or in another musical setting; that could quite possibly invite abuse. We'll see.

[Desdemona]

No bells? Okay, I have a problem with that since the best Pachelbel Canon I’ve ever heard was on the bells. It was a postlude.

[Desdemona]

My pet peeve is the way the congregation is now prevented from singing anything but the refrain during the Gloria.

My understanding is that this is supposed to go away and the Gloria is to be sung straight through. We do it that way, but not everyone does.

[Desdemona]

So, no Bach, right?

Preludes, postludes and a certain chorale for Palm Sunday and Good Friday are fine.

[Desdemona]

His Requiem is truly great, but Bach wrote the St. Matthew Passion. Trying to decide which is better seems futile to me.

And neither is suitable for Mass.

[Desdemona]

What about “traditional hymms”?

After the offertory, the communio and at recessional.

[Jeff Chandler]

I would hope that this would drive a stake into the heart of Marty Haugen and David Haas...

And Matt Maher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGFu9IqH3r0

" ... the wor - or- orld ... "

[Jeff Chandler]

The real scandal, here, is that their Pastors let them get away with it.

Because of

1.) Ignorance
2.) Belligerence
3.) Laziness
4.) A combination of #1 and #2