Posted on 07/19/2011 5:07:06 AM PDT by spirited irish
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The author distinguished between the exoteric version and the esoteric version for the initiate. If you are of the exoteric school it makes sense that you are unaware of the initiate’s esoteric “advaitic monism.”
I didn't realize the Libertarian Party was that old.
Re the Libertarian Party, it is as old as “pride,” :)
Amazing how there really is nothing new, isn’t it?
I wonder where (if anywhere) he would fit a religion that believes we are all ‘gods in embryo’ and will become gods ourselves one day?
Jesus invented “evolution”... when he said “you MUST be born again”..
A metamorphosis from one state into another.. i.e. butterfly..
Evolving from human into something else.. i.e. spiritual creature..
Whether a metaphorical illusion/allusion or a literal transformation..
Whats the difference.. a change can occur..
A change happening fleshly or spiritually is still a change..
What, really, do you know for sure, and how sure are you that you know it?..
“Faith” is not lost in either option..
The fleshly oriented see “it” one way, the spiritually inclined see “it” another way..
Could be the “reference”(born again) could be both metaphorical and literal.. like a coin has two sides..
Whatever is “IS”..... and whatever ain’t...... AIN’T..
magical spirit ping..
These poor deluded fools cannot even be consistent in if acceptance of evolution is “humanism” and worship of humans as neo Gods - or a degradation of humanity as “just an animal”.
Your premise slightly restated:
It seems Kant was fixated on the fact that natural science has a million and one useful applications while their supernatural explanations for physical phenomena have never been of any use to anyone.
Poor deluded fool. His “fixation” cost him his soul...and reason.
That may be dogma among the fanatics, but it isn't usually Christian dogma among the vast majority of denominations that see no conflict at all between evidence and reason and Scripture.
Jesus invented “evolution”... when he said “you MUST be born again”..
A metamorphosis from one state into another.. i.e. butterfly..
Evolving from human into something else.. i.e. spiritual creature..
Spirited: To be born again does not mean that man evolves into “something else.” Man is man and will never become other than man. In terms of evolution and/or metamorphosis, Jesus Christ was speaking of a this-worldly moral and/or ethical transformation in preparation for eternity.
So you mean... man is flesh and will remain flesh for eternity?..
Heaven, whatever that is, is a paradise of flesh?..
and Hell is a prison of flesh?..
Jesus is flesh.?, you and I are flesh.?.. and thats just the way it “IS”?..
Interesting... my thought is you might need a BIGGER God..
My God is not fleshly.. if yours is..... then it is..
I'm not trying to steal away a fleshly God from fleshly people..
It appears to me that Jesus was attempting to "WEAN" people away from a fleshly identity to a spiritual identity..
And did.. sometimes, with a few, somewhat...
John 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him. 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Exactly..
“So only by supposing that supernatural forces are accountable for physical phenomena can our souls be saved and our minds be subject to reason”
Spirited: Physical phenomena cannot account for the “immaterial” mind anymore than they can account for consciousness. If they could then rocks ought to be thinking, dreaming “physical phenomena.”
But then as materialist monism fades, neo-platonist monism rushes into the void and lo, it teaches that rocks do in fact “think” because everything that exists is “god.”
Not long before he died, Antony Flew rejected naturalism, saying that “physical phenomena” cannot and will never account for the soul, mind, and consciousness.
Flew had come to see the danger of dogmatic atheism to be the way it automatically closes itself off from certain questions, such as “why does the world exist?” A no-nonsense acceptance of “brute” (i.e., physical phenomena) facts is no explanation and should not be accorded special authority, noted Flew.
Flew came to see that the realm of science is not science itself but philosophy, thereby refuting Kant’s contradictory dichotomy. Thus philosophical issues carry more weight than the merely scientific.
The fact that nature obeys laws, that intelligently organized and purpose-driven beings came to be, the very existence of something rather than nothing...these philosophical issues in tandem with a renewed study of the classical philosophical arguments and a deep respect for the Apostle Paul in conjunction with certain scientific findings (i.e. fine-tuned universe) culminated in Flew’s acceptance of God.
Flew thought of God as self-existent, immutable, immaterial, omnipotent, and omniscient but not personal even though the resurrection was clearly on his mind.
Flew ended his last book with these words: “Some claim to have made contact with this Mind. I have not-—yet. But who knows what could happen next? Someday I might hear a Voice that says, ‘Can you hear me now?”
The resistance of naturalists to supernatural explanations is not “scientific” but psychological. For the claim that Jesus was alive, after having been dead, involves a miracle that entails the falsity of naturalism.
Whether you like it or not, the spiritual realm is intruding into the natural on a daily basis. Near death experiences and the Transcended spirit-guides of many globally-powerful progressives are just two examples of many.
Flew obviously sought God. And since He said that all who seek will find, I believe that at the very end, Flew did indeed find Him.
So you mean... man is flesh and will remain flesh for eternity?..
Heaven, whatever that is, is a paradise of flesh?..
and Hell is a prison of flesh?..
Spirited: God the Father likes matter for He created it, which of course includes the bodies in which our souls are embedded. After He rose from the dead, Jesus “modeled” for us the resurrection body all of us will have one day after all things have been made new, which includes this earth. It will be made new.
Gnosticism rather than Christian theism is dominant today. Your disparaging remarks regarding “flesh” are very Gnostic.
Gnostics hated Yahweh to the extent of consigning Him to hell. In His place they exalted the Devil.
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