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To: The Theophilus; GiovannaNicoletta
So what is a Dispensationalist going to do? Embrace the non-existent "dispesnations" allegedly taught by Clement and then conveniently disregard the 95% of the same book that speaks about allegory, symbols, mysteries and abstractions as being ways to convey God's Truth?

I came across a reference today to something "dispensationally considered", in Geerhardus Vos, of all people. In his Pauline Eschatology. So, I guess Dr. Geerhardus "Two Age Model" Vos was a dispy. If Origen can be one, anyone can.

Which is to say, for anyone else reading, that the definition

First, let's clearly define what Dispensationalism means; "the act of dispensing or something dispensed; a specific arrangement or system by which something is dispensed."
is far too broad to be useful. You don't even need to be, you know, Christian. A gum ball machine would count.
Dispensationalists often in this forum wish death and destruction upon hundreds of millions of Semites. They are the true monsters whose dreams if come true would have a larger body count than all of the murders committed by the Hitlers, Stalins, Maos, Pol Pots, Castros et al over the past millennium.

Might be time to revisit this: Faux Christians as Worshippers of Dionysius .

Of course, you can't be a real Dispensationalist until you just blurt out pure blasphemy:

Read Gerstner's book on dispensationalism?

Maybe Jack Kinsella ought to hold back that outrageous "anti-Semitism" card, especially when he slanders us by calling us "replacementarians" and hypocritically accuses us of "nasty" attacks. Speaking Truth to this demon and the people who blindly embrace this dreck is not "nasty", rather it is heaping upon them the condemnation of rejecting the Gospel - which is what Dispensationalism is really all about.

It gets the troops whipped up.

This lot seems maybe not totally secure in their beliefs.

54 posted on 08/15/2011 3:18:13 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field
You only need to compare Luke 4:16-21 with Isaiah 61:1-2a. to understand the importance of recognizing dispensational distinctions. Notice in Luke that Christ closes the book after he quotes the first part of verse 2. He does NOT complete the verse..."and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn."

Why do you suppose that is? Because He forgot to read it? No. Because the day of vengeance had not arrived. This shows clearly that Christ rightly divided the Word of Truth. From reconciliation to wrath. That is what dispensationalism is about. Rightly dividing God's Word.

55 posted on 08/15/2011 3:49:56 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Lee N. Field; GiovannaNicoletta; Iscool; one Lord one faith one baptism; marbren; smvoice
It gets the troops whipped up.

This lot seems maybe not totally secure in their beliefs.

I would wish this lot would be secure first in their Faith in our LORD. If Dispensationalism is consistent with the true Faith, then all would be well. Unfortunately, Dispensationalism trumps most of Scripture and thus is contrary to the Faith. For a crowd that believes in "free will", and "choose you this day who you will serve" ironically applies to them, this is one of those Choices.

Admittedly, I use plenty o' Smack Down™ in the theater of posts on this subject but the audience is a community of entertainment consumers rather than theologians, and I have noticed sadly that doctrines and orthodox theology are of little consideration, thus the amp'd up rhetoric.

GiovannaNicolette is performing a great service to those of the Faith in bringing us these posts as it gives us insight at many levels to what influences guide their feelings. This desperate appeal to History through the complete deconstruction of the word "Dispensation" and the liberal use of the Fallacy of False Equivocation is an excellent example of insecurity in their pet beliefs. The "S&P hits a change of 666 points makes it the Mark of the Beast" sophistry was comedy satire at its best. Yet this crowd was poking in to that steaming pile of bovine excrement trying to find oracles in the movement of the maggots.

What bothers me most about those who hold on to Dispenationalism is the remarkable disability to take the abstract concept and form concrete images and analyze the repercussions of these ideas.

For example, they talk about loving Jews, a demographic that has been historically the most antagonistic towards Christians, they also love to characterize all non Dispensationalists of being anti-Semite for reasons never disclosed, yet it is they that teach that God will, in the Future, not regraft them (Ro 11:23), but will slaughter two-thirds of them in a bloody holocaust (Zech 13:7-9).

Students of the Bible and History know that Zechariah 13:7-9 speaks of the war with the Romans that Flavius Josephus graphically documents in this book "War of the Jews". The two thirds that died were the ones who stood in Jerusalem screaming at Pilate the demand to crucify our LORD saying "His blood be on us and on our children" (Mt 27:25). In the Olivet Discourse, our LORD plainly said that "when Jerusalem is surrounded by [Roman] armies" (Lk 21:20) suddenly will come the death and destruction that could be avoided by those who were "ready" (Parable of Ten Virgins) who would "flee to the hills of Judea" (v21) (the one-third that survived).

So here history clearly tells us of fulfilled prophecy, something that we don't have to wait for, but has already happened. God's Judgment was placed on those who actually crucified our LORD and their children, exactly as they had demanded. In contrast, those who claim to love the Jews, give no reason whatsoever why God will isolate and strike down two-thirds of today's Jews in a bloody holocaust. Who is the monster here?

So do we accept the Dispensationalists' brand of love that has God slaughtering off his "Chosen People" for no reason whatsoever, or do we accept the Justice of our LORD who sent His Son to warn the people of coming judgment, gave them clues and things to look for, practically begged them to seek the signs, ordered them to Repent, told them exactly why they would suffer (Parable of the Wedding Feast), and the people demanded that God Judge them for crucifying the Messiah. So He did as He said He would and as the People demanded. Furthermore, in His warning on the Mount of Olives, He told them exactly how to escape this Wrath if they had ears to hear. He also gave them a window of time when this would take place - "this generation". And in our LORD's mercy, He patiently waited until the very end of that generation before He came in His glory to Judge them in 70AD (not to be confused with the future Parousia). Zechariah foretells that one third would find His Mercy and not perish in the Roman siege - a promise of Hope and Redemption.

But in the upside-down, deconstructed, double-minded world of the Dysfunctionalist, instead of seeing God's Justice and Love, they prefer to have their god perform capricious and wanton slaughter of their god's "Chosen" and "loved" people. If their god slaughters his own people for no good reason, what makes them think that this same hateful and capricious god will "rapture" them when its most convenient for them to make their exit?

56 posted on 08/16/2011 5:40:08 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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