Skip to comments.Meet the exorcist schoolgirls who spend their time casting out DEMONS around the world (Bob Larson)
Posted on 08/12/2011 12:23:37 PM PDT by markomalley
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Please note that this is a product of Bob Larson, not a product of the Catholic Church. A Catholic exorcist is a priest who is so authorized by his bishop (or the bishop himself).
In Catholic theology, this restriction comes down to an exercise of Christ's ministry as high priest, which was delegated to the apostles and, from there, to the bishops by virtue of apostolic succession. (NOTE: if you don't agree, that's fine...whatever)
I don't know that much about Bob Larson. The only reason I remember his name is from scanning the radio maybe 20-25 years ago and hearing him on some Christian radio station. He seemed pretty flamboyant to me...but I'm no expert on how charismatic types do their business. I don't know if he is regarded as "legit" in the evangelical or charismatic communities or not.
This might be of interest (either for endorsement or mythbusting) for you all...
Who determines the possession? The girls?
Your guess is as good as mine on that. That's why I pinged some folks who I believe are charismatics to this.
As far as the Church is concerned, this would be way, way, way off base.
But within charismatic circles, I don't know what their parameters are (a/k/a I don't know if they would consider this to be off-base or not).
Well, as a Catholic, perhaps it’s not for me to judge.
But I think this is extremely dangerous. It takes a lot of training to be an exorcist. If you are Catholic, you have to be a priest and have the bishop’s permission. And calling the attention of demons to yourself is a very bad idea unless you really know what you are doing and have God’s grace and support.
Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. I hope and pray that these girls will be OK.
Sounds dangerous to me, too.
I certainly think the girls are brave and faithful and dependant on Christ.
And such faith and dependence on Christ, regardless of denomination, is something I suspect most demons would be loathe to face.
There’s prayers of exorcism at every baptism.
Maybe the possessed determine the possession?
Where are the pix? How can I tell if I need exercizin’ if I can’t see the pix?
Very interesting. Part of me thinks, “Well, they have faith and they are trying to help people”. The other half of me thinks, “Dealing with the D^%$$ or his minions is dangerous to your own Soul”. Interesting posting, Markomalley!
Last month I did nine in total, casting out demons, says Brynne. Im not like normal teenagers.
At least she is self aware!
Oh, this guy (Larson) again. I remember him years ago on TBN, always relegated to horrible time slots (Tuesday mornings at 4am Eastern, for example). If you check his home page, you’ll see that he sells (for a $5 Paypal charge) a 30-question self-test to see if you have a demon in you. That should answer all questions right there.
I don’t know. Looking at that Pastor, he seems kind of creepy. And the girls are rather attractive. I sure hope the next story on these folks isn’t how he has been taking advantage of them.
It is my belief that the ladies are putting themselves into dangerous situations.
I have witnessed this kind of exorcism, more often termed ‘deliverance’. It is real. However, I doubt the girls have the necessary discernment to effectively diagnose the difference between mental illness or demonic activity.
Human beings, some more than others, are highly suggestible, and if some outside force can be blamed for their own internal struggle, they will adopt that ‘truth’ and play out the part...
“I have witnessed this kind of exorcism...”
I have to ask: is it as frightening as one imagines? I personally think that I would be scared to death!
I have NEVER witnessed these particular people, or people from that group in action.
Whether they are legitimate or not is something I cannot answer.
Thanks. You told me what I need to know.
This article sounds like the answer to the burning question: “What would happen if Warren Jeffs were a closet Buffy fan?” :)
IMHO this is very real and very dangerous. I have seen Bob Larson speak a few times. He is confident he is one of the best equipped to take on demons. He is a General in hand to hand spiritual warfare. YMMV
“Who ya gonna call?”
Seriously, how does one discern between mental illness and possession?
The one I'm familiar with from 40 years ago wrote:
LIVING ON THE GROWING EDGE.
I thought he had a lot pretty accurately.
Of course Charismatics believe in
"The Priesthood of the Believer."
and that all authentic Christians are called to:
There are varying degrees of demonic oppression.
Outright possession is rare.
Frightening? No. Tiring? Yes.
Suffice it to say, the Holy Spirit, indwelling the believer is infinitely more powerful than our defeated enemy.
The critical issues vis a vis such phenomena--in my experience are:
1. Does the person want free of demonic oppression/possession?
2. Is the person helping to free them confessed up, repented up, prayed up, maybe fasting and prayed up; anointed for the task; Grounded well in The Word and trained and experienced in spiritual warfare a la the Blood of Jesus; the Name of Jesus and the Word of God.
3. Are they prepared to be persistent.
4. How long the possession/oppression has been going on can be some clue to the degree of the challenge.
I haven't found a lot of other factors near as critical as the above.
I think you're correct about this. I can't imagine what kind of parents would allow their daughters to be put in such danger.
Perhaps the parents should be examined for mental problems
When did exorcists break evil spells? The whole concept of breaking evil spells with a Bible and a Cross is kind of a Voodoo thing.
The whole thing seems to be a feeble attempt at glorifying exorcism. Best to be careful about serious stuff like that.
If casting out demons works...
I know of a house...
It is white...
And it’s in Washington, DC...
The evil one is sending out counterfeit exorcists. That way when someone really needs an exorcist...
Actually, even 40 years ago the scientific psychological and sociological RESEARCH documented that your assumptions on that score are generally speaking 99% or so of the time
Experienced pastors, deacons, elders and even laymen and women did quite well at discerning the difference between demon possession/oppression and mental illness. And, they could generally detect when both were a factor.
If I had my dissertation handy, I’d give you the references. I’ve misplaced it in the chaos somehow.
It appears that this topic is being trashed by a lot of inexperienced unBiblical ignorance.
Perhaps some of you have a perspective worth contributing.
A lot of folks have been praying toward that end.
“Experienced pastors, deacons, elders and even laymen and women did quite well at discerning the difference between demon possession/oppression and mental illness”
Makes one wonder what a five year FP/IM Psych residency is good for nowadays.
I wear sacramentals myself( An exorcism medal)They are a living prayer and anointing. I believe this comes mostly from scripture. Almost any blessed object. Notice what Paul did with just anointed cloth in this scripture.
11And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12So that from his body were brought unto the sick Handkerchiefs or Aprons, and the diseases Departed from them, and the Evil spirits went Out of them.
"One of the most remarkable effects of sacramentals is the virtue to drive away evil spirits whose mysterious and baleful operations affect sometimes the physical activity of man. To combat this occult power the Church has recourse to exorcism and sacramentals."
In terms of the psych residency . . . depends on one’s goals.
Even the profession’s own research has shown that a LOT of laymen, grandparents, etc. are great at helping others through emotional, mental, relationship problems somewhat on a par with highly educated professionals.
IIRC, there’s never been any research to demonstrate that
AS A CLASS OF PEOPLE,
credentialed, licensed folks were significantly to greatly better at a range of things than sensitive, communicative, discerning, caring lay persons.
Sure, I’m thankful for my PhD. It enhanced my skills, effectiveness with more difficult cases and life a lot. However, I did a lot of good, effective counseling before I had the PhD.
And with some sorts of cases, nothing sort of a Damascus road experience or major deliverance or a residential 3 year program . . . will do a whole lot of good, on average . . . unless some other sort of miracle occurs and the person decides they have had enough of living in that kind of pain and begins to do some opposite things to their usual.
Prove it ! Plenty of this is quackery with people claiming they exorcised a demon and taking advantage of the mentally ill for self gain and fame.It could be them who are demoniacally influenced and being mislead by thinking God is leading them
“Even the professions own research has shown that a LOT of laymen, grandparents, etc. are great at helping others through emotional, mental, relationship problems somewhat on a par with highly educated professionals.”
There is a vast difference between laymen “helping others through emotional, mental, relationship problems somewhat,”
and a diagnosis of mental illness and its treatment.
You stated, Experienced pastors, deacons, elders and even laymen and women did quite well at discerning the difference between demon possession/oppression and mental illness
That’s absolute balony.
At any other time, I wouldn’t bother replying to one of your posts. However, the idea that one can determine demon possession from mental illness simply from “discernment” by a layman needs to be trashed.
There is enough suffering from mental illness, especially untreated mental illness caused by biological problems without some ridiculous statement that anyone can tell who is demon possessed and who is sick.
That nasty bit of false piety and spiritual abuse had ended or so I thought.
~and frankly, what you posit is one of the hallmarks of a cult.
I tend to side with you on this. The first thought I had is some teenage girls hung up on Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the Twilight movies. Demonic possession and influence is a very real happening and has never abated even from Christ's time on earth. Anyone who ventures to deal with this problem better be in the correct frame of mind, yielded to Christ, prayerful, sometimes fasting, and at all times claiming the blood of Christ over all. It must be a special calling and definitely NOT for attention getting.
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Here some lengthy information about Larson from the Christian Research Institute:
I guess I'll have to try again to ferret out my dissertation from the chaos.
and then search through the 20 pages of bibliography.
Speaking of proving things . . . please PROVE where I said
". . . some ridiculous statement that anyone can tell who is demon possessed and who is sick."
or is it as it appears . . .
that now that most of the Proddys have consigned by default the FR Rel Forum into a sub-department of the Vatican in terms of number of threads and lines of text in behalf of the Vatican Cult vs the number of lines in behalf of Proddy interests . . .
that the RC's feel quite free to engage in their old tricks of insisting that Proddys said things they didn't say?
Evidently, as usual, the only kosher piety in your eyes is that involved in kissing the toes of the statues of the Vatican Cult's Ishtar Goddess idols.
Are you really sure you want to start tyhis game up again?
I read tjhis Quix, things that make you go hmmmm.....
That article from the Christian Research Institute is full of hogwash.
It is written from a fairly rigid and wholesale bias against modern day operations of Holy Spirit’s gifts etc. It is written by the Cessationist perspective that has increased dramatically in that organization since Walter Martin’s death.
Walter at least had some respect for the Charismatic gifts because his throat Dr was commissioned to be a missionary to the Middle East as a result of a message in tongues with interpretation. Walter—with natural proclivities against such was impressed enough with the realities involved, he had to adjust his theology a bit. Sadly, what he learned did not survive him in the organization.
That hit pieces is not worth the pixels it shows up on.