A woman I knew once explained to me “that the best way to corrupt the church was from within’, I am paraphrasing but these were her own words though she was saying it as if that wasn’t what she was about but that others had told her this. She went to church though regularly. Not much later I had heard that her two sons were taken from her because she was found to be molesting them, from what I was told she tried to accuse the pastor at her church for this and claimed she was innocent.
I have no way of knowing if she had any direct intention of attacking the church or if she had other plans of corrupting the church. She was very much a left-wing liberal though. My only point is that these type of people do exist. I would not assume that the majority of left-wingers who stick around churches they disagree with are there to be righteous agents of change. They very well may hang around with ill intentions.
Gee! I wonder why.
Why leave it when your intention is to destroy it?
They won’t leave because their intention is to destroy it from within. They don’t want the change they say they want...there’s a whole list of mainstream protestant denominations that have accepted their ‘new orthodoxy’. If they were really interested in change they could easily find a new home there that would welcome them. they want destruction.
Lucifer didn’t just leave either. He had to be driven out.
I don’t think many Anglicans would want them either. Let’s find another denomination for them....they can maybe start their own denomination.
Their basic mindset is that they are right and have the power of right on their side so you must change or leave not them.
The fact that their ideas in no way line up with 2 thousand years of history doesn’t matter. They have probably listened to people all to willing to scratch their itching ears and they know that they are good at heart - better than you “hardline conservative” so they must be right - Don’t you see!
I have talked to too many liberal Christians and know that you can never win an arguement with them because they are better people than you and me!
Mel
What about the guy who lived with his step-mother. If someone is openly living in sin, saying they are Christian, they have no place in the church as far as I can tell. When I slipped, for years, I didn’t step foot in the church. How could I? I just told a friend a couple of days ago, I almost always know when I am doing something wrong.
I don;’t want to understand them I just want them to leave the church and quit calling themselves Catholic.Liberals are never happy with something that works they have a deep need to change things to suit themselves then complain bitterly when it does not work.In other words they are perpetual adolescents.
Forty or so years ago, there was a lot of discussion about why the Reformation failed. That the friends of Erasmus ought to have won, as the “middle way” between the Lutherans and the Catholic reformers who prevailed at Trent. John Dolan wrote a history of the Rerormation along those lines. They were also determined to reverse the course set by Pius X during the modernist controversy. But Luther—God bless his stubbornness —saw that Erasmus more or less identified the faith with morality, was at best a Pelagian. Of course IMHO, to call some liberal Catholics today “Pelagians”is to give to little credit to Pelagius and his disciples.
Further, it is not right to wish that they leave the Church because it is the same as wishing their eternal damnation. Our desire is to reform them in the Church.
They are not protestants, they don't put shaking the dust off their sandals above all other ecclesiological principles, the Church is their mother and you can't divorce your mother.
Why some of the worst corrupters are not excommunicated by a formal act is a more interesting question.
But, for true cradle Catholics, there's no such thing as leaving.
they need the Church’s cloak to justify the “legitimacy” of their desires