[afraidfortherepublic]

Apparently Bloomberg wasn’t listening.

[miss marmelstein]

As I watched the black cloud overtake my little ocean town that day, I thought all Americans would come together forever. Not exactly spiritual but a strong hope that patriotism would trump everything.

I was quickly disillusioned.

David Hare wrote a beautiful play called “Plenty” about a woman who thinks the horrors of the 2nd World War will bring the world together in peace and love. She, too, is disillusioned.

[Jeff Chandler]

How can we “work towards peace” whem the moslems want to kill us? Morons.

[PieterCasparzen]

“As Christians,” Fr. Madigan wonders, “how do we begin to work toward the way of peace?”

Certainly not by starting with lies. Peace is built upon truth, not lies.

The first truths to admit concern the source and goals of the attack. The truth is there whether people admit it or not. If I say that 2 + 2 = 5, that does not make it true; meanwhile, 2 + 2 = 4 is still out there, true as ever and I can't do anything to change that.

The 9/11 attack was a battle conducted by one group in a century-long war being waged on the forces of good by an alliance of various forces of evil. This war continues without the forces of good acknowledging and declaring war. The mooselimb brotherhood was founded about 80 years ago and has sought isslamic dominance of the world since then. Communism, being at war with God, the concept of personal property and the right of people to the fruits of their own labor and to self-determine was active before that, with the modern incarnation of it's theories being developed over 100 years ago. The theories of communism directly defy the sovereignty of God, in that they refuse to admit that the success and failure of each man proceeds, as all things do, according to the sovereign will of God. Those who espouse communist theories think that man has devised a more fair way of determining the outcomes of men's lives than subjecting them to the will of God; in essence, communism is a modern-day tower of Babel. Another "dark force" group is broadly labeled "anarchists", which have probably always been around somewhere; they simply want to destroy things because they're idiots. There are atheists who may not feel strongly about those ideas but who are vehemently opposed to all things religious. All of these forces consist of a motley collection of groups that have formed sundry collaborations throughout this long war with coordination ranging from none to formal strategic alliances. Much (but not all) of the strategy of these "dark" forces has turned to avoiding direct military conflict in favor of becoming embedded within their enemies - the free nations of the world - and toppling them by using their own liberal (in the classical sense) principles against them.

This modern day war traces it's political roots to the end of the last great monarchies, brought about by the "great experiment" of implementing representative government, or government by the people. The model for these was classical Greece and Rome, of course, and the great tumult of the birth pangs of trying these again, but in Christian civilizations instead of pagan, rose in the development of the modern British Parliament. If one reads British history, one sees the questions of executive versus legislative power flogged about in a most dramatic way and yielding hard-won knowledge of the fundamental principles of self-government.

The Biblical scholar can not help but think back to the Israelites asking for a king, thus ushering in the age of legitimate monarchy in the Judeo-Christian world and ending it's reliance on government solely by prophets and judges of the Lord's choosing. They wanted kings like other nations had. Thus in Britain, after milennia of experiencing difficulty in having absolute monarchies that could be incompetent and cruel, the Christian world took it's first steps towards the next request, that men should govern themselves, according to the classical Greco-Roman model. So Britain and then America set up a civil government model based on Christian moral law and implemented using the classical representative forms. But as the monarchies faded in the 19th century, another alternative besides representative government was forming in the minds of over-educated intelligentsia: the communal model, where the monarch is replaced by, in essence, a committee with absolute power. Various parts of this theory contradict Scripture, so it is necessarily accompanied by a rejection of God, which implies a rejection of truth and therefore an embrace of lies and deception. And thus the stage is set for the two governmental theories to be at war: statism versus true representative government with it's law grounded in Biblical moral law. Statism is really absolute state control without the legitimacy of both a) the aim of Scriptural conformance of the monarch and his government and laws and b) the inheritance of the throne whereby the interests of the monarch and nation have at least some alignment and the selection of the monarch is at least by design intended to prevent control of the nation to be wrested by power alone.

Those who advocate the forces of good employing "nation-building" techniques and the "spread of democracy" have not analyzed history along the lines of comparing wars between nation states within a culture as opposed to wars between different cultures. The two types of wars are entirely different in their purpose, scope and resolution. IMHO.

[Alex Murphy]

Catholic News Agency, huh?

[jacknhoo]

“But I think one way of putting it, is that the alarm went off – and people hit the 'snooze' button soon afterwards. They went back to sleep.”

Yes, clearly, we did go right back to sleep...we had no idea what woke us up, either.

Evidence we went back to sleep: Election of an atheistic socialist president who belongs to an atheistic political party that has been actively seeking to bring the USA under control of a one world government.

Evidence we are still asleep: We are about to elect another one world government politician who will continue to bring the USA further under control of the one world government...and nobody will do anything about it, except, deny it.

Sweet dreams..............

[hoagy62]

We woke up for a while, then threw the alarm clock out the window, shut the blinds, stuffed cotton in our ears, and went back to sleep.

We’re now only going to wake up with the thief standing over us and the knife coming down to kill us. By then...too late.

[Rashputin]

“As Christians,” Fr. Madigan wonders, “how do we begin to work toward the way of peace?”

Step One, stand up for Christ rather than backtracking, hemming and hawing, and trying to be "inclusive". God is putting a challenge to His Son on our plate and looking for peace by walking away from the challenge will bring ever increasing misery rather than the peace our human understanding is aiming for with the same old failed methods.

Both WWI and WWII were started when people who had made vast alliances in order to insure peace were pushed into war by the very avoidance of conflict and existence of alliances they were relying on to ensure peace. Sept 11th is as much the result of the Clintion crowd avoiding the truth of our situation at all costs as it is the result of planning by those who did it. More problems in the history of the world have been solved by war than by any other means, deal with it. Sometimes war is the only way we can stand up for what we believe and without standing up for what we believe we're doomed.

It's no accident that when Islam spread by the sword it halted at just about the same borders the various widespread Christian heresies halted. Areas that had already begun the process of compromise with the world fell quickly while what stood for Christ remained and remains to now be once again challenged by the very same evil. We wrestle not against flesh and blood and until we as a nation realize that we won't succeed.

JHMo

Regards

[onedoug]

I like the original StarTrek´s ¨A Taste Of Armageddon¨.

What does Kirk say? That we know our savagery as human beings,¨...but that we´re not going to kill...today. That´s all it takes. I´m not going to kill...today.¨

[Salvation]

Teaching the Virtues (includes The Lessons of 9/11)

[TASMANIANRED]

New Yorkers didn’t hear it or they wouldn’t have elected Bloomy.